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Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 1:11 am
by pangaea
A 'scene' can only 'explode' for so long. Or something.
Dubstep was exciting at the beginning because things were new. Then a template is established. People use that template. Things aren't as exciting. It's just the way it is.
It just needs people to keep experimenting to keep things interesting.
Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 1:14 am
by deapoh
Envoy, shut up.
Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 1:18 am
by shantyman
Mico Viejo
I agree maybe dubstep is dying but thats only because new producers now are following ones that have been established over the last 3 years.
I see your point that it sounds like white man's reggae but what you got to remember it's coming from England.
You obvisously been about for many years so you would know that Zed Bias and HorsePower might of been trying to make garage and stubbled across Dubstep on the way!
Anyway dont hate the scence hate the producers.
Its not his fault
Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 1:33 am
by djshiva
I think the essential issue here is word choice.
"Dying" implies that nothing is happening. No new music is being made, nothing is interesting, and no one is coming to events. I think we can all agree that is not the case here.
"Not evolving" was probably the phrase that would have sparked a less...defensive...debate. If you want to argue that any music form can get formulaic and start to stagnate, well...that's a whole 'nother debate.
As much as people can get stuck in formulas, I am still hearing some really fresh sounds and innovative music from what could be loosely termed "dubstep". And for that...I am happy.
Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 1:43 am
by corpsey
It isn't dead until I go to a DMZ and don't feel like rogering the speakers at least once every ten minutes.
Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 1:47 am
by shantyman
Dying implies that its reached its peak?
Mico implies its dead which means its not in demand.
Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 1:49 am
by Jubz
This is fucking boring.
Re: Dubstep's dead baby, Dubstep's dead
Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 1:50 am
by eshkoshka
tronman wrote:its dance music init.have you ever been to fwd or dmz or any dubstep dance with a bangin system before? cos thats where its at mate. it aint all about your myspace beats or dubstep cds for the comfort of your own home. its about goin to a dance lettin off. dubstep is the music of now its always gonna change just let mandem do their thing init.
brap!
Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 1:55 am
by aaron contreras
check the sig.
Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 1:58 am
by deapoh
Boring is true, fuck this thread. your on crack if you think dubsteps dead when it's only just kicking off globally. Go figure.
Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 2:04 am
by shantyman
[quote="Shantyman"]Mico Viejo
I agree maybe dubstep is dying but thats only because new producers now are following ones that have been established over the last 3 years.
I see your point that it sounds like white man's reggae but what you got to remember it's coming from England.
You obvisously been about for many years so you would know that Zed Bias and HorsePower might of been trying to make garage and stubbled across Dubstep on the way!
Anyway dont hate the scence hate the producers.
Its not his fault[/quote]
Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 2:08 am
by pompende
ring the alarm...
Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 2:27 am
by stone
What, a scene is 'dying' because you didn't like a compilation? give me a break. Yes, there will always be good and bad things in any genre, especially electronic music.
By saying dubstep is dying you are ignoring all of the great producers out there (and many whom only have a handful of releases) that have put a lot of hard work into this sound and have not yet had time to grow and change and all that shit. YES, because this sound has become more popular many people have tried to emulate it because they are excited about it, but the record labels that are deep into this know what is quality and what is crap and are not gonna release any type of buullshit.
And concerning Dubstep Allstars vol 1 vs vol 4...I feel that vol 1 sounds just as homogenous as vol 4.
The progression of dubstep has happened in waves, with its good periods and bad periods (pre-DMZ there was a bit of a lull i believe?).
it is far from over dude.
oh, and fuck myspace music profiles hahhahhah
Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 2:44 am
by moderator
Mico Viejo wrote:" think the real debate, and hopefully the one to come here, is regarding rigidity of frameworks, archetypes, a lack of openess in form (i.e. too many producers listening to too much dubstep, not enough other music)"
Some intelligence at last.
And yo, all those getting uptight; don't take me too seriously.
Soon to be 5 pages of drama. The icing on the cake is when the threadstarter claims he doesn't want to be taken "too seriously". Enough.
Moderator
Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 7:30 am
by shonky
Went to a local record shop the other day and he was convinced that dubstep was dying because it was a little London scene and wasn't really translating to the mass market.
Found this interesting as he had about 20 dubstep tunes in the section and about 8 bits up on the wall compared to 2 for most of last year.
I think dubstep's dead if it gets too formulaic but then again a lot of folks seem to like the formula so it's not gonna go just yet.
I do think that labels are being a bit blinkered about what gets released, I've heard more variety from the producers up here than I've heard get pressed lately.
Re: Dubstep's dead baby, Dubstep's dead
Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:03 am
by little boh peep
Mico Viejo wrote:We're starting to see Dubstep's influence spreading to other areas of music now, with people outside the scene mixing the sound with other genres,
Imitation isn't the sincerest form of flattery?
Dubstep is alive and well.
Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:29 am
by elgato
boomnoise wrote:i really don't think it's the case that producers only listen to dubstep at the expense of other musics. far from it.
i dont think they do yet, and fortunately the inner circle as it were are generally so creative that it wouldnt really matter, but as more and more ppl step to the plate, that presents one of the key factors where things might start getting a bit inbred
i think its questionable to say the least that we now find this thread in 'Offtopic' talk about a contradiction in terms. i know he said not to take him to seriously, but that doesnt mean the discussion isnt serious, devils advocate is a useful tool to stimulate debate
Re: Dubstep's dead baby, Dubstep's dead
Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:53 am
by metalboxproducts
Moderator wrote:Mico Viejo wrote:I'm playing devil's advocate a bit, but heres something to think about:
We're starting to see Dubstep's influence spreading to other areas of music now, with people outside the scene mixing the sound with other genres, what might be considered the second stage of a scene, for example check:
www.myspace.com/spuek
www.various.co.uk
This aint neccesarily a bad thing (I'm personally feeling some of this), but stage 3 can't be far off: a David Bowie dubstep LP or some shit.
Secondly, I'm starting to wonder if Dubstep didn't die already the moment the name was coined. There's a lot of talk about how exciting the scene is cos it hasnt been locked down to any one thing yet, hasnt become formulaic. And yeah, maybe that was the case in the beginning. I bought some of the early Horsepower, Darqwan, Zed Bias stuff when it came out and din't really know what music it was, and I get the impression that they dint either. They just did it. And that stuff was exciting.
I'm rambling here, but what I wanted to say was that if u just check the first dubstep allstars LP it was diverse, exciting, more of a dark 2-step sound, but check allstars no.4 and 90% of it is pretty weak and samey. Kind of a wak white-man's reggae; hardly fukcing groundbreaking.
Its like once the name dubstep stuck everyone went "oh yeah, gots to stick some stupid skanking sounds and echoing vocals in now or it isnt dubstep".
Apart from that, I'm a little dubious as to whether its a real scene like grime is. Seems a little artificial to me, like its all just a fuss created on the internet. But maybe thats how all new forms are gonna develop now?
So, anyway, dubstep's dead, yeah: debate....
Welcome to the forum.
Fantastic way to introduce yourself.
Moderator
Ya know what i mean?
Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 9:00 am
by dynamixuk
Dubstep is far from dead fool
it growes every day
Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 9:19 am
by m9918868
Weird how only a few people actually answerred to the content of the question.
Maybe you formulated your critique a bit awkward, viejo, but the questions are absolutely legitimate. Not that this thread will make any difference, but hey... it's just a forum, right.