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Magma wrote:

Feral Witchchild wrote:Yeah, it IS kind of shady, but some of it does make you wonder.

That sort of analysis (and a lot more) is carried out on anything medical that gets released to the public... you should be able to find a report like that for almost any medicine on the market, tbh.

With the adverse event rate as the measured outcome? Not even trying to argue with you, just genuinely curious.

The fact that the US has banned the sale of these vaccines to "rogue" nations because they could be used as biological weapons is pretty shady as well...

mmmm.. public sstoooooning.

Feral Witchchild wrote:

Magma wrote:

Feral Witchchild wrote:Yeah, it IS kind of shady, but some of it does make you wonder.

That sort of analysis (and a lot more) is carried out on anything medical that gets released to the public... you should be able to find a report like that for almost any medicine on the market, tbh.

With the adverse event rate as the measured outcome? Not even trying to argue with you, just genuinely curious.

The fact that the US has banned the sale of these vaccines to "rogue" nations because they could be used as biological weapons is pretty shady as well...

Yup... they prepare for a LOT of eventualities.

When I was working in local government, we had to run a test for an anthrax attack in Weston-Super-Mare.... which, if you're not from the South of England, is a distinctly shitty seaside town... probably one of the least likely places to get attacked in the world... yet they have plans for flu outbreaks, anthrax attacks, chemical weapon attacks... we have stockpiles of vaccines for diseases in this country that haven't been on the news. It's only when people learn the name of a disease (because it starts to infect people) that they start digging all this stuff up.

Agree about not selling them to "enemies"... that does seem shady. This sort of thing should be in the hands of the WHO, not domestic governments...

the cool thing about all this evidence is that it is all provided by a smaller and smaller group of people every day. the news stations, print media, and internet are all run by the same media conglomerates. these outlets effectively shape our entire subconscious and ideas, and if they don't all start humming the same tune at the same time, nobody trusts it to be real.

kinda scary tbh.

Magma wrote:

Feral Witchchild wrote:

NilsFG wrote:Do you actually believe that the government would make viruses for money?

Considering a few people including Donald Rumsfeld himself have made a killing off of their stocks in flu vaccines, I would say it's at the very least a remote possibility.

I just want to make it clear that I'm not pointing these things out because I'm threatened by the idea of you all thinking I'm nuts...I AM nuts...but that's besides the point. I want you to guys to know this shit. lol

I'm not going to get too embroiled in this one, but remember... reason and intuition does NOT equal evidence. The only thing you should require to believe something is evidence. Do you have evidence that this was created by a government? No, you don't... you just have ideas as to why it might have been. I can think of a load of reasons why my housemate would've wanted Michael Jackson dead - doesn't mean he killed him though.

they found pyramids in bosnia that are bigger and older than giza several years ago and still celebrity/gadget worship and fear mongering are the only thing anybody can think about. nothing happens until the tv says it did.

i mean they've already started to figure out that pot makes your brain grow and literally fights all kinds of cancer in reputable scientific circles and still people are convinced it is some kind of vice like tobacco or alcoholism.

Feral Witchchild wrote:

Magma wrote:

Feral Witchchild wrote:Yeah, it IS kind of shady, but some of it does make you wonder.

That sort of analysis (and a lot more) is carried out on anything medical that gets released to the public... you should be able to find a report like that for almost any medicine on the market, tbh.

With the adverse event rate as the measured outcome? Not even trying to argue with you, just genuinely curious.

The fact that the US has banned the sale of these vaccines to "rogue" nations because they could be used as biological weapons is pretty shady as well...

all vaccines are evaluated for various things:

safety
tolerability
immunogenicity (i.e. does it provoke an immune response)
efficacy (i.e. does that immune response actually protect)

so you'll be able to find papers with any one of those as the outcome measurement, in animals and humans, for pretty much any vaccine, experimental or otherwise.

the US knows that rogue governments couldn't engineer vaccines into bioweapons. it just pretends they would, so it can deny them access to medication, putting pressure on them indirectly by endangering their population in the event of a pandemic. not ethical, but also not evidence that vaccines are dangerous.

and jenny mccarthy is one of the few people that can get me worked up into an apoplectic fit of rage. stupid, narrow minded, factually incorrect, and all round despicable.

so you find her campaign to spread awareness about the correlation between vaccines and autism epidemic to be despicable huh. that seems kinda knee-jerk.

Parson wrote:they found pyramids in bosnia that are bigger and older than giza several years ago and still celebrity/gadget worship and fear mongering are the only thing anybody can think about. nothing happens until the tv says it did.

Wondered why I hadn't heard about that!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4912040.stm - exciting.

But sadly, a hoax, it seems...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnian_pyramids

http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/webl ... 06/05/P30/

selrahc wrote:the US knows that rogue governments couldn't engineer vaccines into bioweapons. it just pretends they would, so it can deny them access to medication, putting pressure on them indirectly by endangering their population in the event of a pandemic. not ethical, but also not evidence that vaccines are dangerous.

Much more inclined to lean this way...

Parson wrote:they found pyramids in bosnia that are bigger and older than giza several years ago and still celebrity/gadget worship and fear mongering are the only thing anybody can think about. nothing happens until the tv says it did.

i can't be bothered to pick this apart now, and i agree that people place excessive emphasis on believing what they see on tv, but as far as pyramids go: you're completely wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnian_pyramids

first paragraph:

...became the focus of international attention in October 2005 following a news-media campaign promoting the false idea that it is actually the largest of a group of ancient man-made pyramids.
Scientific investigations of the site show that there is no pyramid there.

Additionally, scientists have criticised the Bosnian authorities for supporting the pyramid claim saying, "This scheme is a cruel hoax on an unsuspecting public and has no place in the world of genuine science."

Parson wrote:so you find her campaign to spread awareness about the correlation between vaccines and autism epidemic to be despicable huh. that seems kinda knee-jerk.

you are so unbelievably badly informed.

there is no link. i'm not just speculating; i've got a degree in neurology and wrote a university dissertation on HIV vaccines. if i had more time i'd go into all the ways in which one ethically corrupt study has allowed endless celebrities to forge careers as supposed "autism campaigners".

not a hoax!
http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.p ... ht=bosnian

thats what happens when you trust wiki

selrahc wrote:

Parson wrote:so you find her campaign to spread awareness about the correlation between vaccines and autism epidemic to be despicable huh. that seems kinda knee-jerk.

you are so unbelievably badly informed.

there is no link. i'm not just speculating; i've got a degree in neurology and wrote a university dissertation on HIV vaccines. if i had more time i'd go into all the ways in which one ethically corrupt study has allowed endless celebrities to forge careers as supposed "autism campaigners".

hiv vaccinations huh

are you able to discuss the evidence provided by the strecker memorandum without an irrational emotional response?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 9136912010

selrahc wrote:

Parson wrote:so you find her campaign to spread awareness about the correlation between vaccines and autism epidemic to be despicable huh. that seems kinda knee-jerk.

you are so unbelievably badly informed.

there is no link. i'm not just speculating; i've got a degree in neurology and wrote a university dissertation on HIV vaccines. if i had more time i'd go into all the ways in which one ethically corrupt study has allowed endless celebrities to forge careers as supposed "autism campaigners".

people should watch the documentary of them excavating the pyramid. then read the wiki article. then see charles blindly believing the article, and then think long and hard about who shaped their beliefs and why the fuck they believe them so hard.

Science created AIDS by "accident" in the 1950's in Africa as well...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ml7q6iMwqLY

ChainsawClownStyle wrote:Science created AIDS by "accident" in the 1950's in Africa as well...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ml7q6iMwqLY

i had a really good one that i posted up here a while ago that got people EXTREMELY OFFENDED omg they were so offended. HOW DARE YOU ACCUSE THE GOVERNMENT OF KILLING MY FRIENDS!!

anyway the video was quickly removed from the internet and i haven't been able to find it since.

Parson wrote:

ChainsawClownStyle wrote:Science created AIDS by "accident" in the 1950's in Africa as well...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ml7q6iMwqLY

i had a really good one that i posted up here a while ago that got people EXTREMELY OFFENDED omg they were so offended. HOW DARE YOU ACCUSE THE GOVERNMENT OF KILLING MY FRIENDS!!

anyway the video was quickly removed from the internet and i haven't been able to find it since.

As the Declaration of Independence says...

"all Experience hath shewn, that Mankind are more disposed to suffer, while Evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the Forms to which they are accustomed."

nice.

must read whole thread later.

Oh and the whole myth that the MRI vaccine causes autism has thankfully, been discredited.