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futures_untold wrote:Ah, but when did the last update come out?

04/22/2010

Not too long ago, not too soon. Now I'm rocking yet another new improved version here in July. I'm good w/ that.

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Re samurai - Think primary complaint of reason is the sound quality. Vst usage, audio, yes features that are sorely missed. No vst makes perfect sense to me in that context, but not no audio, that is stupid and has been rectified with record, right?

But subpar sound quality is at the base or reason, and doesn't look like it's going to get fixed any time soon... ie in this century.

nowaysj wrote:

futures_untold wrote:Ah, but when did the last update come out?

04/22/2010

Not too long ago, not too soon. Now I'm rocking yet another new improved version here in July. I'm good w/ that.

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Re samurai - Think primary complaint of reason is the sound quality. Vst usage, audio, yes features that are sorely missed. No vst makes perfect sense to me in that context, but not no audio, that is stupid and has been rectified with record, right?

But subpar sound quality is at the base or reason, and doesn't look like it's going to get fixed any time soon... ie in this century.

It does get marginally better with each release but it's still always gonna be a long way behind, i.e theres a slight upgrade from 3 to 4 and then 4 to record (though 5 appears to be the same as record :\) Best bet is to just rewire cos then you get audio + better sound quality + all the benefits of reason :p

I've never really understood people's dislike about midi in Reaper as I've found it the perfect cross between horrid (Cubase) and simple (Reason).

Just out of interest, what aspects do you dislike?

Patrick

samurai wrote: yeah i know you can tweak a million features and customise every single aspect of the program to your liking. but this doesn't really appeal to me when i have to look up a thread on the reaper forums just so i can install a theme. every good feature of reaper seems to be an "extension". that's all well and good but i can't install these things because i'm retarded. i also don't like the piano roll. i think it's kind of shit. the things i like about reaper is that it's fast.

i think it's great that the reaper devs update so frequently but that sort of system also has downsides. too many cooks...
with the devs integrating feature requests at such a rapid rate it sometimes takes a lot longer for big updates to come through. why is the piano roll in reaper still shit? sometimes a development team needs to focus on specific targets without outside interference.

yeah...

earlier in the year i ditched my cracked copy of ableton 7 and bought reaper and renoise. thought "i want to be legit..let me actually get something i can afford" i had used the renoise demo pretty extensively...and fiddled with reaper for a week or something like that.

i think it's good that you can customize an entire daw to work the way you want...especially if you're into that sort of thing. but at the same time, learning the set system and ways of daw is also good. i enjoyed ableton. while i like reaper i can't say i enjoy it as much. like you said the extensions thing - that shit drives me insane sometimes. like change track colours...downloaded i think two sets of extensions for that. had to read 2 or 3 different threads on the reaper forums to understand. and they still don't function properly lol. i end up just clicking the #1 button and flicking through random colours.

similarly, freeze tracks is another set of extensions. took an hour to figure out it's not an option per se in reaper. right now i just render to stems...but really? lol. another set of extensions? i dled the extensions on the forums and thought "i probably need to read yet another thread to understand whats going on" they're just sitting on my desktop

there are sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many options in reaper...it's almost fucked up. like right click on anything and the amount of options listed is unreal. and i'm not a total idiot. it's just that....something like a daw....it's great that there are infinite ways to make one thing operate, but i think it's beneficial for people like me to just give us the set rules and make us learn them and work within them.

i'd like to see where reaper is in about 5 years. or even 1 or 2 years. probably will shit all over similar style programs like cubase and logic or whatever.

then again, i don't actually compose shit in reaper. everything is in renoise and then i send it over into reaper.

seriously considering getting ableton suite 8 tbh. i know ableton fairly well. why abandon it?

qwaycee_ wrote: seriously considering getting ableton suite 8 tbh. i know ableton fairly well. why abandon it?

the updated version of operator is illness in 8.

hello custom waveforms!

qwaycee_ wrote:it's great that there are infinite ways to make one thing operate, but i think it's beneficial for people like me to just give us the set rules and make us learn them and work within them.

YES YES YES. Set rools and learn them. The trick is finding a daw developer that makes good rools. There is functionality in cubase that isn't in fl, not even gonna lie on that one. But when you go into cubase and look at the rools they have in there, like the 15 steps to do something that in fl is only 1 step... you start thinking, I'll ditch this added functionality to be able to use something that was designed to be used, and used efficiently.

I only like FL for the 3xosc to bad you can't buy it I miss that thing!

haha.. memories.. 3xosc taught me synthesis.. after rebirth showed me the power of simple waveforms and filters.

rebirth 2.0 ftw!! taught me so much about making dance music

i use reason but wanna learn cubase so i can rewire them together. I rekon that would be the best tbh.

p3rt2k8 wrote:i use reason but wanna learn cubase so i can rewire them together. I rekon that would be the best tbh.

I use reason myself and am a big fan of it, recently started rewiring to ableton and I would highly recommend it over cubase. The two fit together like the peen and the poon, you get me?

I learned about synthesis with subtraktor but I wouldn't want to use it now lol

so this thread's still pretty cool...

and in case it got lost somewhere in the last 20 pages, FL is awesome

back2onett wrote:so this thread's still pretty cool...

and in case it got lost somewhere in the last 20 pages, FL is awesome

Tldr eh?

abZ wrote:

back2onett wrote:so this thread's still pretty cool...

and in case it got lost somewhere in the last 20 pages, FL is awesome

Tldr eh?

shit beyond one page or not in the first 10 topics seems to be tl;dr for the majority

FL studio 9

ive looked other daws but not wanted to switch , i think its wat i will be working on for as long as i make music.

i hate how people act like a Daw change is dramaticly gonna change their production level

rekstep wrote: i hate how people act like a Daw change is dramaticly gonna change their production level

It does. All DAWs do the same thing but in different ways and if that fits better with your workflow (or not as well) then yes it will have an impact on the finished product

paravrais wrote:

p3rt2k8 wrote:i use reason but wanna learn cubase so i can rewire them together. I rekon that would be the best tbh.

reason rewiring to ableton.

like the peen and the poon.

So, Reason = Peen and
Ableton = Poon?

Makes sense.

back2onett wrote:

rekstep wrote: i hate how people act like a Daw change is dramaticly gonna change their production level

It does. All DAWs do the same thing but in different ways and if that fits better with your workflow (or not as well) then yes it will have an impact on the finished product

It's true, you can make the same thing in renoise as you can in logic. But renoise lends itself to a certain type of sound based upon its particular paradigm.

Which is why I like fruity so much because it's like renoise and logic put together in one, in terms of its structural paradigm. Fruity's step sequencer is just a skinned tracker, which can also feed into an arrange type page. Powerful combo.

And don't even get me started on ableton, not a single daw works like that (session view, at least).

nowaysj wrote: It's true, you can make the same thing in renoise as you can in logic. But renoise lends itself to a certain type of sound based upon its particular paradigm.

THIS X1000000