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I'd call the wallstreeter's bluff. There's no way those dudes will wash dishes in a diner for $12/hr.

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Why is it STILL that the only "official" sort of people with the guts to speak any sense down at OccupyLSX are religious? Just sat on the steps for a couple of hours listening to preachers dead on the money, even if it was for the wrong reasons. We need some politicians to start fucking representing.

Beautiful chorus of Amazing Grace just as I left. Makes you sad you don't believe, haha!

magma wrote:Why is it STILL that the only "official" sort of people with the guts to speak any sense down at OccupyLSX are religious? Just sat on the steps for a couple of hours listening to preachers dead on the money, even if it was for the wrong reasons. We need some politicians to start fucking representing.

I kinda thought that was the whole point of the demonstrations - to make it clear that current mainstream politicians really aren't listening to people or don't have the guts to go against the grain.

kay wrote:

magma wrote:Why is it STILL that the only "official" sort of people with the guts to speak any sense down at OccupyLSX are religious? Just sat on the steps for a couple of hours listening to preachers dead on the money, even if it was for the wrong reasons. We need some politicians to start fucking representing.

I kinda thought that was the whole point of the demonstrations - to make it clear that current mainstream politicians really aren't listening to people or don't have the guts to go against the grain.

Sure, but I kind of hope a bi-product would be that one of the established parties actually took on some of the goals of the Occupation and genuinely looked to change the way things work. It'd be an extremely bold move, but nothing less than anyone's asking for really. The Occupation isn't there to provide leaders, it's to express disgust at the current choices and provide a forum for people to discuss alternatives... anyone's welcome to come and be influenced or just heard... I'd hope in a democracy that the professional politicians would be a bit quicker to realise what'll be ultimately incredibly good for their votes!

The sad thing is (ramble alert), I expect a lot of people that get involved with the Labour Party (or even the Lib Dems) share an awful lot of the views of the Occupation. But the Labour that gets presented to the country is this weird Fabian Society sort of Labour that actually doesn't give a fuck about labourers and most definitely gives a lot of fucks about City bigwigs... some of the retirees and backbenchers should at least be causing a scramble, here... the Tories almost implode over an essentially fictional Europe question, but Labour can't even get their backbenchers riled when there are working class occupations taking major cities all round the world. This would be their revolution 50 years ago... where did it all go wrong?

Great post.

magma wrote:the Tories almost implode over an essentially fictional Europe question, but Labour can't even get their backbenchers riled when there are working class occupations taking major cities all round the world. This would be their revolution 50 years ago... where did it all go wrong?

When politicians allowed large amounts of funding for themselves and their parties to be turned into a ransom note, by the corporations who provide it!

this protest is a joke, i dont know how it is in the east, but here in the west the people have been finding any excuse to 'protest' and its bugging the shit out of me. i don't want to see their bullshit get togethers fucking with the police and then crying about it when police fight back. what the fuck do you expect to happen when you are throwing shit at riot cops. bottom line you arent going to change shit you self righteous assholes. thats the way it is.

magma wrote:

kay wrote:

magma wrote:Why is it STILL that the only "official" sort of people with the guts to speak any sense down at OccupyLSX are religious? Just sat on the steps for a couple of hours listening to preachers dead on the money, even if it was for the wrong reasons. We need some politicians to start fucking representing.

I kinda thought that was the whole point of the demonstrations - to make it clear that current mainstream politicians really aren't listening to people or don't have the guts to go against the grain.

Sure, but I kind of hope a bi-product would be that one of the established parties actually took on some of the goals of the Occupation and genuinely looked to change the way things work. It'd be an extremely bold move, but nothing less than anyone's asking for really. The Occupation isn't there to provide leaders, it's to express disgust at the current choices and provide a forum for people to discuss alternatives... anyone's welcome to come and be influenced or just heard... I'd hope in a democracy that the professional politicians would be a bit quicker to realise what'll be ultimately incredibly good for their votes!

The sad thing is (ramble alert), I expect a lot of people that get involved with the Labour Party (or even the Lib Dems) share an awful lot of the views of the Occupation. But the Labour that gets presented to the country is this weird Fabian Society sort of Labour that actually doesn't give a fuck about labourers and most definitely gives a lot of fucks about City bigwigs... some of the retirees and backbenchers should at least be causing a scramble, here... the Tories almost implode over an essentially fictional Europe question, but Labour can't even get their backbenchers riled when there are working class occupations taking major cities all round the world. This would be their revolution 50 years ago... where did it all go wrong?

i dont wanna go 'tin foil hat' on anyone but the politicians that have any kind of power are all tied into the sickness that is being protested...i think people are being a little short sighted if they think bankers are the only problem.....certain people/familes etc due to connections...masonic connections live in a different world to us and could not give a fuck about the ants that are us and they are also holding all the cards that make any sort of difference...politicians getting behind this will be committing career suicide as the higher up people are in the same rooms as the very enemy being focused on

it is inspiring to see the protests but i cant see it making any difference...it is the unseen that are the real problem i concede i suspect rather than know for a fact

Pistonsbeneath wrote:
i dont wanna go 'tin foil hat' on anyone but the politicians that have any kind of power are all tied into the sickness that is being protested...i think people are being a little short sighted if they think bankers are the only problem.....certain people/familes etc due to connections...masonic connections live in a different world to us and could not give a fuck about the ants that are us and they are also holding all the cards that make any sort of difference...politicians getting behind this will be committing career suicide as the higher up people are in the same rooms as the very enemy being focuses on

it is inspiring to see the protests but i cant see it making any difference...it is the unseen that are the real problem i concede i suspect rather than know for a fact

Exactly.... this a million times over.

Anyone with the power to make the changes are tied into the filth, the greed, and the money. So expecting them to make the changes is not realistic in my opinion.

I think the protestors are going to need to get involved politically in order to put someone WILLING to make those changes in power.

Again I bring up that a lot of us are in different countries. The UK may have people in power willing right now but in the US (where wall street resides and the corruption is rampant) we currently do not house the quality or quantity of man in power required to clean things up.

pkay wrote:

Pistonsbeneath wrote:
i dont wanna go 'tin foil hat' on anyone but the politicians that have any kind of power are all tied into the sickness that is being protested...i think people are being a little short sighted if they think bankers are the only problem.....certain people/familes etc due to connections...masonic connections live in a different world to us and could not give a fuck about the ants that are us and they are also holding all the cards that make any sort of difference...politicians getting behind this will be committing career suicide as the higher up people are in the same rooms as the very enemy being focuses on

it is inspiring to see the protests but i cant see it making any difference...it is the unseen that are the real problem i concede i suspect rather than know for a fact

Exactly.... this a million times over.

Anyone with the power to make the changes are tied into the filth, the greed, and the money. So expecting them to make the changes is not realistic in my opinion.

I think the protestors are going to need to get involved politically in order to put someone WILLING to make those changes in power.

Again I bring up that a lot of us are in different countries. The UK may have people in power willing right now but in the US (where wall street resides and the corruption is rampant) we currently do not house the quality or quantity of man in power required to clean things up.

if we do i dont see it being enough as you guys still on many levels lead the world, the financial centre of the world now is supposed to be shanghai actually...given that china has ultimate examples of capitalism at its worst ala the 11 suicides in a year at its ipod factory (thats made a small amount of people incredibly rich) and the displacement of its indigenous people in the name of progress id say were all fucked and theres very little we can do....if EVERYONE rose up sure it would do it but they wont as most people could not give a fuck and are entirely brainwashed to think any kind of activism is criminal

Pistonsbeneath wrote:

pkay wrote:

Pistonsbeneath wrote:
i dont wanna go 'tin foil hat' on anyone but the politicians that have any kind of power are all tied into the sickness that is being protested...i think people are being a little short sighted if they think bankers are the only problem.....certain people/familes etc due to connections...masonic connections live in a different world to us and could not give a fuck about the ants that are us and they are also holding all the cards that make any sort of difference...politicians getting behind this will be committing career suicide as the higher up people are in the same rooms as the very enemy being focuses on

it is inspiring to see the protests but i cant see it making any difference...it is the unseen that are the real problem i concede i suspect rather than know for a fact

Exactly.... this a million times over.

Anyone with the power to make the changes are tied into the filth, the greed, and the money. So expecting them to make the changes is not realistic in my opinion.

I think the protestors are going to need to get involved politically in order to put someone WILLING to make those changes in power.

Again I bring up that a lot of us are in different countries. The UK may have people in power willing right now but in the US (where wall street resides and the corruption is rampant) we currently do not house the quality or quantity of man in power required to clean things up.

if we do i dont see it being enough as you guys still on many levels lead the world, the financial centre of the world now is supposed to be shanghai actually...given that china has ultimate examples of capitalism at its worst ala the 11 suicides in a year at its ipod factory (thats made a small amount of people incredibly rich) and the displacement of its indigenous people in the name of progress id say were all fucked and theres very little we can do....if EVERYONE rose up sure it would do it but they wont as most people could not give a fuck and are entirely brainwashed to think any kind of activism is criminal

With regards the china and suicides issue, I would have to chime in that it's related to things that are very deeply rooted in the mentality of chinese culture unfortunately. Not things that can change quickly. It'll take some time to throw off several hundred/thousand years' worth of cultural ingraining.

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pkay wrote:

Pistonsbeneath wrote:
i dont wanna go 'tin foil hat' on anyone but the politicians that have any kind of power are all tied into the sickness that is being protested...i think people are being a little short sighted if they think bankers are the only problem.....certain people/familes etc due to connections...masonic connections live in a different world to us and could not give a fuck about the ants that are us and they are also holding all the cards that make any sort of difference...politicians getting behind this will be committing career suicide as the higher up people are in the same rooms as the very enemy being focuses on

it is inspiring to see the protests but i cant see it making any difference...it is the unseen that are the real problem i concede i suspect rather than know for a fact

Exactly.... this a million times over.

Anyone with the power to make the changes are tied into the filth, the greed, and the money. So expecting them to make the changes is not realistic in my opinion.

i completely agree

sometimes it feels like the only solution is a violent protest/revolution/coup/ etc.... people don't like to talk about it, but sometimes its an option to be considered imo

they don't give a shit about a bunch of people with signs in some random ass parks

but they'll give a shit when we break down their front doors

looks like Japan is joining in the fun.

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/23770 ... nese-media

esfandyar wrote:looks like Japan is joining in the fun.

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/23770 ... nese-media

Wtf I read an article the other day that made out there isn't much happening in Japan at the moment:

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/text/ek20111107a1.html?

Unfortunately it seems some rather unsavoury outside elements are trying to enter the political system at the same time (I mean the Tea Party in this article!):

http://ajw.asahi.com/article/behind_new ... 1111160024

fractal wrote:

pkay wrote:

Pistonsbeneath wrote:
i dont wanna go 'tin foil hat' on anyone but the politicians that have any kind of power are all tied into the sickness that is being protested...i think people are being a little short sighted if they think bankers are the only problem.....certain people/familes etc due to connections...masonic connections live in a different world to us and could not give a fuck about the ants that are us and they are also holding all the cards that make any sort of difference...politicians getting behind this will be committing career suicide as the higher up people are in the same rooms as the very enemy being focuses on

it is inspiring to see the protests but i cant see it making any difference...it is the unseen that are the real problem i concede i suspect rather than know for a fact

Exactly.... this a million times over.

Anyone with the power to make the changes are tied into the filth, the greed, and the money. So expecting them to make the changes is not realistic in my opinion.

i completely agree

sometimes it feels like the only solution is a violent protest/revolution/coup/ etc.... people don't like to talk about it, but sometimes its an option to be considered imo

they don't give a shit about a bunch of people with signs in some random ass parks

but they'll give a shit when we break down their front doors

So how did Civil Rights get through when all the politicians were white? And Women's suffrage when all the politicians were men?

We have a history, centuries long of gradually chipping away at the unfairness in society. I don't see why this should be seen as something particularly different... the will of the people is too strong in some cases and no matter whether the powers-at-be benefit from the status quo, they can be forced to change given weighty enough public opinion.

We can make our economic systems fairer, but only if we actually try to. Just watching from the sidelines as a few others try and then laughing at how foolish they were when they get shot the fuck down won't suffice. Man up people.

Just seen this, no wonder the NYPD are anti-OWS

http://www.jpmorganchase.com/corporate/ ... /ny-13.htm

fucking PIGS