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pkay wrote:

meanmrcustard wrote:

pkay wrote:
She swam faster than lochte and Phelps

I'm sorry what?

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/30/world/asi ... index.html

The last 50 the hardest 50 she beat lochte who won men's gold. Phelps didn't swim that fast in his world trials eother

meanmrcustard wrote:

pkay wrote:

meanmrcustard wrote:

pkay wrote:
She swam faster than lochte and Phelps

I'm sorry what?

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/30/world/asi ... index.html

The last 50 the hardest 50 she beat lochte who won men's gold. Phelps didn't swim that fast in his world trials eother

HAH!

A single split does not a race make.

magma wrote:

pkay wrote:

magma wrote:

pkay wrote:The innocent till proven.guilty in sports is a joke. Lance Armstrong has been tested over 600 times and never failed yet is generally shat on by europe

Lance Armstrong was regarded as the best cyclist and cancer-recoveree in the entire world last time I checked... and I pretty much only hear European opinions, since I, like, live here.

Nice to see we've got an expert on competitive swimming in our ranks though. How come you haven't talked about it for the last 4 years?

You should probably check again bro

He was just brought up on charges for doping because of a 10+ year witch hunt a lot of European countries have been on

Fair game tho he did something unimaginable and I find it hard to believe he didn't dope considering the state of worldwide sports

Well, it's obviously not getting as much coverage as his domination of the Tour de France did. Lance Armstrong's place is pretty undeniable.

But yeah, this is what's known as a "separate case". He's also a grown man that seems to be able to take anything life throws at him in his stride. Just because people have been unfair to one of your countrymen, it really doesn't make it ok for you to hop online and join the mob bullying a 16 year old girl that you'd almost certainly never heard of a week ago but whose career you are now an 'expert' on.

meanmrcustard wrote:

pkay wrote:

meanmrcustard wrote:

pkay wrote:
She swam faster than lochte and Phelps

I'm sorry what?

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/30/world/asi ... index.html

The last 50 the hardest 50 she beat lochte who won men's gold. Phelps didn't swim that fast in his world trials eother

HAH!

A single split does not a race make.

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hugh wrote:yes but the fastest split time generally shows how good a swimmer is. She beat Phelps' and Lochte's fastest lap time, despite being several years younger, about a foot and a couple of inches smaller and having much much smaller feet and smaller lungs and a smaller heart. To deny that it is suspicious is just naive.

wub wrote:

jameshk wrote:<iframe src="/forum/video.php?url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNCpof_Jlo0" frameborder="0" style="overflow:hidden; height:auto; max-width:540px"></iframe>

Sorry, did I just watch a Chinese girl being given steroids by a Panda wearing a Communist Party hat? ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?

Watching the newborn ‘Mandarin Mermaid’ movement to added suspiciously cushy conclusion yesterday – the prelude to what module doubtless be her ordinal metallic ribbon of these Games – my thoughts returned to the disturbing discourse I conducted with added tearful sentiency some eld ago.Just same China’s Ye Shiwen, East Teutonic Petra Schneider had astonished the concern in success the 400 metres composition – this instance at the 1980 Moscow athletics – producing a action of such awing noesis that her rivals (including Britain’s Sharron Davis, who won silver) seemed to be lesser mortals.And as with 16-year-old Ye in author on Sat night, so striking was Schneider’s vantage over teen women who had drilled equally daylong and hornlike that some observers wondered how she could mayhap hit been so such stronger, better and faster.

Winning at every costs: Children are place finished their paces doing punishing exercises to toughen them up

Children are drilled at camps where the word ‘gold’ is hung on the surround to attain them pore on success

Sweat and tears: A teen woman is pushed finished a thickened athletics exercise

This disquieting discourse patch a dominate over her action for 18 years. But then, during that persistent interview, in her cramped housing in metropolis – or Karl-Marx-Stadt as it had been famous when she was among the stars of the East Teutonic land tearful send – the five-time concern record-holder eventually came clean.

tyger wrote:but you can't say: i can spot the ones on drugs from their performance - that's bullshit.

On the third day of the London Olympics, 16-year-old Chinese swimmer Ye Shiwen stunned the world with her record-breaking performance in the 400-metre individual medley.

Ye's outstanding feat in the final leg raised eyebrows. US swimming coach John Leonard brusquely commented that Ye's performance was "suspicious" and brought back "a lot of awful memories". The BBC's Clare Balding also implied that Ye's success may be due to doping and said: "How many questions will there be … about somebody who can suddenly swim so much faster than she has ever swum before?"

Chinese authorities and ordinary citizens alike reacted angrily after Leonard and Balding's words were picked up by the international media. China's anti-doping chief called critics against Ye "biased" and countered that the media "never questioned Michael Phelps when he bagged eight golds in Beijing". Ye's father angrily defended his daughter, saying that "the western media has always been arrogant and suspicious of Chinese people". The Global Times published an op-ed entitled the "West is being petty over Ye's amazing speed", criticising the world media for its cynicism in the face of Ye's triumph. The majority of Chinese netizens on Sina Weibo and other Chinese microblogging sites strongly supported the swimmer, arguing that other countries were jealous and biased against Chinese athletes. Only a small percentage of them blamed China's previous doping problems for raising foreign suspicions.

Foreigners are cynical about Chinese athletic success, and Chinese are cynical about the intentions of the foreign media. It was almost inevitable that what started as one swimmer with a record time would be blown up into an international incident.

Every country wants to win the Olympic Games. However, China cares more than most. It's not just government propaganda either: ordinary people genuinely care about the results, especially the number of gold medals. Since I was a child in elementary school, every four years my friends, family and I would sit in front of TV in the summer to watch the Games. When a Chinese athlete won, everyone was so excited and proud. I remember watching as China's position rose from 11 in the medal tables in the 1988 Seoul Olympics to three in Sydney in 2000. Finally, in 2008, China finally beat Russia and the US to be number one at its home Olympics.

China's winning obsession doesn't come from nowhere. The psychological trauma of 100 years of humiliation is embedded in people's psyche. The "patriotic education" taught in our schools teaches students to never forget that Chinese weakness led to the country being humiliated by foreign powers in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Today, movies such as Yip Man and Jet Li's Fearless are very popular in China, because they show a Chinese Kung Fu master besting much larger foreigners, showing that Chinese people are not the "sick man of Asia".

The Olympic Games play the same role. They are an opportunity to impress the world and prove how strong China has become. Many people in China still have trouble separating criticism of our system with criticism of us. Perhaps it's the patriotic education system, perhaps it's a history of being bullied. Either way, whenever there is any suspicion regarding any athlete of whom Chinese people are especially proud, the public take it personally: many Chinese see it as an attack on their country's achievements.

China has to get over this. It is quite common for athletes with great success to bring suspicion. It doesn't only happen to Chinese athletes, but to many others as well. Lance Armstrong was the best cyclist in US history, and has faced questions regarding doping for his entire career. We live in a cynical age; maybe that's just what happens when you're the best. Hopefully, Ye Shiwen can take comfort in knowing that with great achievement comes questions.

pkay wrote:Barry bonds and mark mcgwire never tested positive up to crushing the USA hone run record but obviously did

If its too good to be true...