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What is that showing us?

Twitter is saying it is Russian troops and armored divisions heading to the boarder.

The talks between Kerry and Lavrov have not produced an agreement.

nowaysj wrote:Twitter

Legit/10

Is what it is. But I have high confidence that more troops are moving.

Would you prefer a CIA website?

http://www.interpretermag.com/ukraine-l ... aine/#1445

wub wrote:If there had been a drone downed in the Ukraine and Russian forces had gotten hold of it, I'd have expected Putin to appear at a press conference holding it going "Well, well, well...looky what we got here!"

http://news.yahoo.com/russia-says-inter ... 30584.html

Russia says intercepted US drone over Crimea: arms group

Looks like Crimea just voted to join Russia.

Let them, I say. The UN enshrined the right to self-determination and they are exercising it.

I'm down if it means the rest of Ukraine gets to join the EU.

But somehow I don't think that's Putin's end-game. If you think about it, that actually puts Putin in a worse place than at the beginning of all these shenanigens. Before all this, Putin basically controlled all of Ukraine. If he takes Crimea, which is only like 5% of Ukraine's population, but the other 95% joins the EU, then Putin lost influence over 95% of Ukriane's pop. So something tells me he's not gonna settle for that.

dubunked wrote:I'm down if it means the rest of Ukraine gets to join the EU.

EU doesn't seem that nice tbf...

ehbrums1 wrote:

dubunked wrote:I'm down if it means the rest of Ukraine gets to join the EU.

EU doesn't seem that nice tbf...

what do you mean? also see my expanded post.

The EU is a dictatorship

m8son wrote:The EU is a dictatorship

I don't think that the EU knows what democracy means. If the majority of the voters choose for Russia, then there's nothing wrong or corrupted about. It's bad for the minority, but that's how democracy works.

Nihilism wrote:I don't think that the EU knows what democracy means. If the majority of the voters choose for Russia, then there's nothing wrong or corrupted about. It's bad for the minority, but that's how democracy works.

I think the main issue for the EU at the moment is whether that vote was a) legal and b) accurate/representative given that there was a big push to boycott the poll by Pro-Ukranian Crimeans.

Self determination is the way to go though... if they want to be Russian and Russia want them to be Russian, let them be Russian.

finally I know who's m8son and magma lol, swear I've skipped most of ur posts since that avatar lol

dubunked wrote:If you think about it, that actually puts Putin in a worse place than at the beginning of all these shenanigens. Before all this, Putin basically controlled all of Ukraine. If he takes Crimea, which is only like 5% of Ukraine's population, but the other 95% joins the EU, then Putin lost influence over 95% of Ukriane's pop. So something tells me he's not gonna settle for that.

imo Putin couldn't care less about the western non-Russian speaking, non wealthy, and now forever-indebted-to-EU/IMF-greek-style part of the country, if anything the events that unveiled these last week are a fail for the West that backed up the coup

see this article: http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/03/17/ ... hangers-0/

also this article is relevant to what you were saying magma: "The referendum in Crimea – 85% of turnout, roughly 93% voting for re-joining Russia, according to exit polls "

(inb4 its all Russian propaganda )

DJoe wrote:

m8son wrote:The EU is a dictatorship

it is anti democratic at it's core though

not big eu fan but better than russia for sure.

DiegoSapiens wrote:not big eu fan but better than russia for sure.

better than this????

that is amazing tbh, but they also give alcohol to beers so little downs