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its funny how certain uk bands are international and others aren't

like noone outside the uk listens to mumford and sons..

and people don't know the stones roses but rate pulp

and Morrissey who is very british is so hated in the uk

etc

They appreciate our one direction

hubb wrote:its funny how certain uk bands are international and others aren't

like noone outside the uk listens to mumford and sons..

well theyre "big" here at leastr

yeah same

one of my friends prolly has the most annoying music taste of all time lol. He likes mumford and sons, queen and and various "steampunk bands", "doctor who bands", shit like that

But you guys are nuts and you know that.

But seriously, you have a very strong singer song writer/folk tradition in Finland so that is one of the places where a pop version of something like that could get a foot in.. . it's probably big in sweden aswell innit. I'm just saying they are super big in the uk and i thought they where a convenience store for time

I might be wrong

hubb wrote:its funny how certain uk bands are international and others aren't

like noone outside the uk listens to mumford and sons..

big in the U.S.

fairplay to all involved

i'll put on this hat here

but yeah fair play mate doesnt make em any less G a y er i think they're still SHIT

Yeah I should remember to have less faith in humanity

wub wrote:

magma wrote:Mike Skinner made folk music

Are you on meth?

Lyrics b2b 'Everyman' Style b2b Zeitgeist social commentary b2b Accessible production techniques. I honestly don't think there are many records that can claim to be as "of the people" than Original Pirate Material. Just listen to Weak Become Heroes. Pure folk vibes.

the tupac suggestion is completely wrong though but there's an angle there imo

I think I overstretched myself here, but I'd argue there's a good slice of Tupac's discography that could fall into a definition of folk... he's probably not a "folk act" in the purest sense of the term because he spent the other half of the time boasting about how much better than the rest of us he was, but still... there weren't too many artists more reflective of their society than 'storytelling' Pac in the mid 90s and the amount of people that connected with his stories makes me think he had something of the Folk about him.

I should've played it safe and said Chuck D. PE coined "Black CNN", but folk music has been giving people the "real news" since way before CNN which led me onto the idea that Hip Hop is probably our generation's most ubiquitous folk music.

magma wrote:Lyrics b2b 'Everyman' Style b2b Zeitgeist social commentary b2b Accessible production techniques.

This could refer to most of UKHH as well. Pretty sure Skinnyman isn't folk.

Same with grime.

wub wrote:

magma wrote:Lyrics b2b 'Everyman' Style b2b Zeitgeist social commentary b2b Accessible production techniques.

This could refer to most of UKHH as well. Pretty sure Skinnyman isn't folk.

Same with grime.

Why not?

Council Estate Of Mind (the tune, maybe not the whole album) is pretty fucking of the people, but I'd argue Skinner has a more general everyman appeal.

Grime and Hip Hop are inherently working class styles of music. That's a pretty strong start in the folk stakes...

Grime is not Folk.

Why not?

It's accessible music made by working class people telling ubiquitous working class stories. That's folk. That's all Guthrie was ever doing... it's just he only had a beaten up guitar rather than a moody copy of Fruity Loops.

Folk doesn't mean mandolins and spinets, it means people.

Bob Dylan is not Grime.

wub wrote:Bob Dylan is not Grime.

And a bear is not a whale, but they're both mammals.

magma wrote:And a bear is not a whale, but they're both mammals.

Grime is not folk, but they're both genres.

This is exactly what I'm talking about tbh. "Folk" didn't used to imply a style or selection of instruments... it's been everything from medieval love songs played on weird modal instruments, the overproduced lushness of Simon & Garfunkel; it's been the entirely unproduced Proto-Blues of Leadbelly and the Ukulele led Music Hall songs of George Formby ... but at some point in the 90s, everyone decided that it had to stop moving forward.

Utterly wrong. Folk will always exist and it will always reflect the zeitgeist. It will never be an exercise in nostalgia.

Does folk have to have lyrics?

is (or was) dubstep spiritually reflective of the zeitgeist or whatever, and thus folk music?