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Ayatollah wrote:

noam wrote:http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... iot-reflex

the Guardian wrote: But those who chant "We killed Bin Laden" cannot display their identification with American power so completely and then expect others to understand it as partial. The American military has done many things in this region. Killing Bin Laden is just one of them.

If "they" killed Bin Laden in Abbottabad then "they" also bombed a large number of wedding parties in Afghanistan, "they" murdered 24 Iraqi civilians in Haditha and "they" gang-raped a 14-year-old before murdering her, her six-year-old sister and their parents near Mahmudiyah. If "they" don't want to be associated with the atrocities then "they" need to find more to celebrate than an assassination. Vengeance is, in no small part, what got us here. It won't get us out.

This is an excellent way of putting it, really makes you think. Good article noam.

ruckus49 wrote:I had a roommate in college ask why I was watching The Simpsons, saying that it was for kids (he watches reruns of Family Guy every night).

ruckus49 wrote:Amercans don't pour into the streets for anything other than a Super Bowl victory.

nowaysj wrote:

ruckus49 wrote:I had a roommate in college ask why I was watching The Simpsons, saying that it was for kids (he watches reruns of Family Guy every night).

Your roommate aside, most people I know got those jokes and references.

ruckus49 wrote:Amercans don't pour into the streets for anything other than a Super Bowl victory.

It is a known fact that they pour into the streets to be in front of brightly lit news cameras. Do I need to link to video of "Thank you bass god!"

Phigure wrote:

nowaysj wrote:

ruckus49 wrote:I had a roommate in college ask why I was watching The Simpsons, saying that it was for kids (he watches reruns of Family Guy every night).

Your roommate aside, most people I know got those jokes and references.

ruckus49 wrote:Amercans don't pour into the streets for anything other than a Super Bowl victory.

It is a known fact that they pour into the streets to be in front of brightly lit news cameras. Do I need to link to video of "Thank you bass god!"

*based god

Phigure wrote:*based god

MrAural wrote:In response to "borrowed"'s reply, your last bit is justifiable, all nations have made wrongs in the past, Britain especially, over 400 years, of murder, rape, and including the participating in the mass genocide of innocent people in Hiroshima, Japan.

borrowed wrote: Going by that logic, I, a German born in 1990 is responsible for the Holocaust by nature of supporting Germany presently. Doesn't really make sense, does it?

borrowed wrote:

Ayatollah wrote:

noam wrote:http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... iot-reflex

the Guardian wrote: But those who chant "We killed Bin Laden" cannot display their identification with American power so completely and then expect others to understand it as partial. The American military has done many things in this region. Killing Bin Laden is just one of them.

If "they" killed Bin Laden in Abbottabad then "they" also bombed a large number of wedding parties in Afghanistan, "they" murdered 24 Iraqi civilians in Haditha and "they" gang-raped a 14-year-old before murdering her, her six-year-old sister and their parents near Mahmudiyah. If "they" don't want to be associated with the atrocities then "they" need to find more to celebrate than an assassination. Vengeance is, in no small part, what got us here. It won't get us out.

This is an excellent way of putting it, really makes you think. Good article noam.

Not really. People say "we" killed bin Laden because we all collectively supported that goal. The majority of the United States was in support of capturing or killing him, and the majority was pleased when it happened. Sure, in some minute way, we're all responsible for the atrocities committed abroad, but we also resent them and punish those that commit them, indicating that we, as a society, are distancing ourselves from such heinous acts. Going by that logic, I, a German born in 1990 is responsible for the Holocaust by nature of supporting Germany presently. Doesn't really make sense, does it?

borrowed wrote:

MrAural wrote:In response to "borrowed"'s reply, your last bit is justifiable, all nations have made wrongs in the past, Britain especially, over 400 years, of murder, rape, and including the participating in the mass genocide of innocent people in Hiroshima, Japan.

Which has absolutely nothing to do with anyone alive today. Same goes for some offshoot atrocities committed by some pent up 21 year old. I know you guys here love the feeling of national guilt and love hating where you live, but that's a bit far fetched.