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Word. I think the Good Life and Native Tongues dudes really laid the foundation for 'backpack' shit.

Harkat wrote:

Pedro Sánchez wrote:

Harkat wrote:

Genevieve wrote:Pretty much started with DJ Shadow and Kool Keith.

DJ Shadow isn't really connected with the Hip-Hop world is he though? Despite the obvious hip-hop influence I mean.

DJ Shadow is definitely hip-hop it's not rap but Endtroducing is Hip-Hop, his newer stuff falls under the genre of 'Shite'.

Sure, it's fair to label beats on Endtroducing hip-hop, I just didn't realize he was actually associated with Hip-Hop scenes cos there are no MCs on any of his first three albums.

Yeah that proves my point I think. By the mid '80s and DEFINITELY by the mid '90s, hip-hop became so MC centered that to be a DJ without a rapper on it is often even questioned as being hip-hop (foolishly -- hip-hop wouldn't be shit without the breaks). The only reason Shadow ever got associated with trip-hop is because he released instrumental music on a British label.

Harkat wrote:How bad/good is his new stuff?

My opinion. BAD.

kidshuffle wrote:

Sonika wrote:

garethom wrote:I like Drake and Kendrick, but not sure they can be termed "musical" geniuses can they? Aren't they just vocalists, for want of a better word?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but they don't do any production do they? So if anyone's "changing the game" with Drake, surely it's people like 40?

Say what you will about Drake, but Kendrick Lamar is a lyrical genius, hands down. He's been killing it since Overly Dedicated. I honestly think he's the best thing to have happened to hip hop since the early 2000s. I know that's not the type of "musical" that people were referencing in this thread but lyrics are a part of music so it's appropriate

And it's a collaboration between 40 and Drake, how the beats are tailored for Drake and how Drake's voice is tailored for the beats, which is why I listed them together

Usually i just dig at your age for giggles, but this is one of those things you just have no idea about. This is the equivelent of kids your age going off about classic rock because they've heard some their dads records.

fair enough, but the internet is a wonderful thing when it comes to music education. It's pretty easy to immerse yourself in all the old 90s shit when you've got a powerful tool like the internet at your hands. Obviously it's nowhere near actually living in that period and being a fan of the music then, but wouldnt you agree it helps somewhat?

I really like kendrick lamar's beats too, idk who produces them. I know he's signed to aftermath so is it dre?

dj shadow is just something white people with a turntable get into. he's like the lars ulrich of hiphop
imo

that's a bit of an exaggeration.

ofcourse but people tend to be so oppinionated that they don't get the point of whats being said - especially when its a discussion about rap.
Like your post when I told you how much I like 50 cent.
You don't get it and instead mock the oppinion. I could explain it.

there's a lot of opinion-mocking

the mainstream is not inherently evil, guys

Pretty sure Sonika's about to complete his cycle and ask us why we all hate Skrillex soon...

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by the very definition it most definitely is. But thanks for the kind notion anyway.

*edit* lol wtf happened there

Pedro Sánchez wrote:

kidshuffle wrote:I dont even know if i'd say Kool Keith, but stuff like ATCQ, Heiroglyphics, Pharcyde...

It was pretty much old school rapping made for the suburban crowd, in the midst of the original gangsta era

This, Pretty much, counter to gangster rap.

Right. So when I quoted Masta Killah and someone called that 'backpacker as fuck', or words to that effect, they were joking..

Does it have to have to boombap beat though because, imo, the vast majority of 90s hip hop is socially concious, even the gangster shit.

kidshuffle wrote:Dooms been around since like 91 if you count KMD

which we should. legend

kidshuffle wrote: I also dont see how pun could be interpreted as backpack

fuck any kind of pigeon hole for pun, he is a don straight up and down.



HARD AS FUCKING NAILS

Right. So when I quoted Masta Killah and someone called that 'backpacker as fuck', or words to that effect, they were joking..

no thats because master killah on all accounts are considered not very good and in you knowing his lyrics meant that you set that aside and still got the meaning, which in turn suggest that you were a white doctor of rap/backpacker in that situation

fuck any kind of pigeon hole for pun, he is a don straight up and down.

No doubt, but so was eric clapton and look at how we percieve him now.

Laszlo wrote:

Pedro Sánchez wrote:

kidshuffle wrote:I dont even know if i'd say Kool Keith, but stuff like ATCQ, Heiroglyphics, Pharcyde...

It was pretty much old school rapping made for the suburban crowd, in the midst of the original gangsta era

This, Pretty much, counter to gangster rap.

Right. So when I quoted Masta Killah and someone called that 'backpacker as fuck', or words to that effect, they were joking..

Does it have to have to boombap beat though because, imo, the vast majority of 90s hip hop is socially concious, even the gangster shit.

Wu-Tang are funny, they were kind of in all camps really, Wu-Tang were just Wu Tang.

garethom wrote:Pretty sure Sonika's about to complete his cycle and ask us why we all hate Skrillex soon...

that's a good point
who knows...

Laszlo wrote:

Pedro Sánchez wrote:

kidshuffle wrote:I dont even know if i'd say Kool Keith, but stuff like ATCQ, Heiroglyphics, Pharcyde...

It was pretty much old school rapping made for the suburban crowd, in the midst of the original gangsta era

This, Pretty much, counter to gangster rap.

Right. So when I quoted Masta Killah and someone called that 'backpacker as fuck', or words to that effect, they were joking..

Does it have to have to boombap beat though because, imo, the vast majority of 90s hip hop is socially concious, even the gangster shit.

that was pretty fucking backpacker of you though

...so now I still don't understand what backpacker means

Laszlo wrote:...so now I still don't understand what backpacker means

you're not missing out on much mate
one less stupid term to know

...wondering if you'd get called one, what with your avatar and all..

a white doctor of rap. keep up


the term came about when the bling bling shit hit fullscale

*wooosh* right over my head, i'm afraid