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I think - and this is a question for all the thread - is that the central dynamic for the 130 space is the tension between groove and drop, or groove v disruption of the groove. Sounds like some of you have had some thoughts on a set with a lot of groove.

my concerns recently is that the two poles have been diverging: some people playing such long groove sets that there's no drop. other people playing so dark and banger-y that there's no groove or tension built. i really want, personally, to find a place that holds those two together, at differing places in the set.

For example, you can see in that outlook set that the first part is an attempt to build a sense of percussive, groove and tension:

Parris "Pressure"
wot do you mean (original) - dusk & blackdown
Drenched (Facta remix) - dusk & blackdown
Sly One "Cow Bell"
circula - deep data
Timeless - blackdown
Aphix "Sin King"
Back 2 go FWD>> - dusk & blackdown
Back 2 go FWD>> (Sweet 2 go sour mix) - dusk & blackdown
Caski "Tunnel Music"

Whereas later there's an attempt to deliberately disrupt the groove, either with drops or just offkey percussion:

Pinch & Mumdance Turbo Mitzi VIP
Damu - WhirlyBird
wot do you mean blackdown version
damu - ipolice
Bloom "Keyframe (Gage fukup)"

My other concern recently is that things could get too unbalanced towards dark, kinda like what Bad Company/Tech Step did to jungle, if you guys remember that far back. Or what brostep did to dubstep (but not as bad). It's not a huge concern but i have been trying to introduce tunes like OKZharp & Samrai "gated" or Amen Ra "Surrender", "Triumph" or funky 4x4 Qualifide to keep things skippy but also add some warmth/light, without going bait/mersh (haha never dat haha!).

now it's quite normal in scenes that someone would take one sub theme and focus in on it (LTJ Bukem in jungle, Youngsta in dubstep), but I still think our aim is to host a space where interesting but complimentary themes can come together and make sense (rather than some incoherent "eclectic" mix) in and around 130. That's been the plan for like, 3 years now. We just run that experiment out daily, in each set, and see where we get...

Bad company did turn into dBridge aswell though.

There's no way to pre-empt what turns up or what turns into what. Sometimes autotune means you go harder. Just saying.

Good discussion.

Like bro step

Pretty much like pendulum or chase and status and very mainstream in a uk context, but at the same time very progressive in the states in the way it turned people into electronic music that wasn't house.

DrGatineau wrote: "damn, i just can't catch a fuckin break can i."

imho
they should catch fucking breaks
I miss them in my dubstep/music

btw if I hadn't already complemented the RA mix, here it is again, pure
LHF

"we spend hours planning shows where we try and join the dots between different clusters of vibes/sounds, whereas sometimes it's nice to mostly take one place/space and explore it."
I couldn't find words myself to express this but imho the show are tunes with a sameish vibe joined together, sometimes the show is my cup of tea, sometimes it isn't but I almost always enjoyed it.
I must say I enjoy both equally sides,, I really like the more agro stuff (gage, damu etc as you mentionned) but the real gems are LHF stuff imho

yeah LHF are crazy lowkey for how sick they are.

I still really want Double Helix - Power (that's the tune with the "LSD is powerful" sample) to be released, and fuckloads of others ofc

The album is still so fucking good

yo

i don't know how cos everyone hear loves em but i've somehow not heard of lhf until a couple months back

where's a good start point for checking them out

the album and the united vibez radio show

the radio shows got loads of percys but the approach is pretty slow, loads of really ambient stuff

the albums on spotify tho, "keepers of the light" its got almost all the tunes they released beforehand and more

that LHF tune with Ragga Twins thats been getting played out...
fuckin outstanding!!!

mat_de_b wrote:New tune from me, 130 flex, wait for the switch up

Soundcloud

loving this one!!

raaah

anyone know tune 2m30?

RKM wrote:the mcs were good "think you're a big man cos you went jail, you're an example the systems failed" lool

Big up, didn't know scroobius pip was working with moleskin now.

ay lmao

yeah sounded better live haha

someone answer my tune id request tho

blackdown wrote:https://instagram.com/p/16BzqtuzX0/

fuckin huge

I thought that dark0 set was fully fucked with k9 shouting about waring with him every 20 seconds over every tune. yeh cool you have bars but try not to trample all over every tune ffs. Very few MCs out there that can get the balance right mind you.

yeah fair fair

still i think when it's grime not dubstep you don't want someone like toast butting in every now and then, you want someone screaming away starting hype, but that's just me

RKM wrote:yeah fair fair

still i think when it's grime not dubstep you don't want someone like toast butting in every now and then, you want someone screaming away starting hype, but that's just me

yeh i get that, just its the same bits over and over and over which is why it got really dry really fast. They guys that sometimes jump on Riz la teefs show are pretty good.

RKM wrote:yeah fair fair

still i think when it's grime not dubstep you don't want someone like toast butting in every now and then, you want someone screaming away starting hype, but that's just me

Just need Spooky on your set tbh

Johoosh wrote:

RKM wrote:yeah fair fair

still i think when it's grime not dubstep you don't want someone like toast butting in every now and then, you want someone screaming away starting hype, but that's just me

Just need Spooky on your set tbh

yo for real, that clip of Murlos remix is fuckin jokes!!!
mad hype!!

what a cheeky track too

garethom wrote:

RKM wrote:the mcs were good "think you're a big man cos you went jail, you're an example the systems failed" lool

Big up, didn't know scroobius pip was working with moleskin now.