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that prick crae

magma wrote:

dickman69 wrote:There is a problem in the USA w police & racism & guns

Is this the story to use to be the face of all these issue

Fucking no

imo its actually selfish/ignorant to use the death of a person to become martyr or more accurately a mascot for whatever cause you choose to assign him to

Protest and especially "riot" is about tipping points. No, the Michael Brown shooting isn't the most clean cut example of inappropriate police violence or brutality in America, but yes, it happened at a time and in a place where the next big case would spark action. People have been talking "tinder boxes" when it comes to relationships with authority, especially Black relationships with authority in American cities more and more frequently for the last few years... it's no surprise that it bubbled over when it did. To think that ALL this is a reaction to one incident is selling it a bit short.

The UK riots a few years ago had very little to do with Mark Duggan in reality, but they wouldn't have happened when they did without his killing. The LA riots in 1992 weren't just about Rodney King. It's about a notion latching onto more and more of society until it tips the scale and people realise, perhaps too late, that they urgently need to do something.

Hmm i guess that is true

I still think the handling of the riots right after the shooting should be the focus of everyones outrage, not the actual incident

Because if looked at objectively, it was pretty obvious to me that wilson wouldnt be indicted and he prob wont be found guilty in any sort of wrongful death trial either (if the brown family would even go through one)

nowaysj wrote:

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Come on man.

Hip hop isn't responsible for black people being treated equally or not

Taking hip hop to officially represent black people, or poor black people like that is ignorant as fuck

dickman69 wrote:

magma wrote:

dickman69 wrote:There is a problem in the USA w police & racism & guns

Is this the story to use to be the face of all these issue

Fucking no

imo its actually selfish/ignorant to use the death of a person to become martyr or more accurately a mascot for whatever cause you choose to assign him to

Protest and especially "riot" is about tipping points. No, the Michael Brown shooting isn't the most clean cut example of inappropriate police violence or brutality in America, but yes, it happened at a time and in a place where the next big case would spark action. People have been talking "tinder boxes" when it comes to relationships with authority, especially Black relationships with authority in American cities more and more frequently for the last few years... it's no surprise that it bubbled over when it did. To think that ALL this is a reaction to one incident is selling it a bit short.

The UK riots a few years ago had very little to do with Mark Duggan in reality, but they wouldn't have happened when they did without his killing. The LA riots in 1992 weren't just about Rodney King. It's about a notion latching onto more and more of society until it tips the scale and people realise, perhaps too late, that they urgently need to do something.

Hmm i guess that is true

I still think the handling of the riots right after the shooting should be the focus of everyones outrage, not the actual incident

Because if looked at objectively, it was pretty obvious to me that wilson wouldnt be indicted and he prob wont be found guilty in any sort of wrongful death trial either (if the brown family would even go through one)

The lack of indictment isn't unexpected in the slightest... but rolled into the reaction to the protests, it serves to underline just how few fucks are given by people in positions of authority about those who are at the mercy of authority - that alone is a reason to remind authorities that these issues won't be forgotten about. Michael Brown shouldn't have been acting how he was, but he did nothing that should reasonably result in a person's death - that in itself should be cause for a nationwide conversation about the broken relationship with Police and the justifications required for Police officers to use lethal force, but it hasn't... instead, the riots have been largely broadcast as a mixture of entertainment and scare-story about feral, swarthy urbanites... and yet again, nothing has changed. There will be another Michael Brown, just like there will be another Trayvon Martin... neither case were the perfect example of the issues they brought to light, but both will be repeated due to the lack of productive response from anyone with any power to change things.

Harkat wrote:

nowaysj wrote:

#oops

Come on man.

Hip hop isn't responsible for black people being treated equally or not

Taking hip hop to officially represent black people, or poor black people like that is ignorant as fuck

You're talking to a man wearing fake dreadlocks for a laugh in his avi...

I Don't mind that magma

Dreadlocks aren't above making fun of

magma wrote:

Harkat wrote:

nowaysj wrote:

#oops

Come on man.

Hip hop isn't responsible for black people being treated equally or not

Taking hip hop to officially represent black people, or poor black people like that is ignorant as fuck

You're talking to a man wearing fake dreadlocks for a laugh in his avi...

They're not fake. They're patch cables. And I was born this way.

Harkat wrote:Hip hop isn't responsible for black people being treated equally or not


Taking hip hop to officially represent black people, or poor black people like that is ignorant as fuck.

Yes it is. If popular black media glorifies lawlessness, and black people internalize that belief structure and behave in a lawless manner, and are then (rightly) perceived by others as being lawless, that popular media played a roll in forming that perception.

What is ignorant as fuck is your notion that art doesn't have power in society. You're but a forest goblin, but at some point you're going to have to take responsibility for your audio aesthetics.

I agree that art is part of the cycle of culture like. It perpetuates, documents and changes culture. Are the nihilistic, violent attitudes in street rap making things worse? Maybe, but I don't think it's that simple. Those attitudes are there because of a culture, which is there in response to certain conditions.

My point was, though, that you can't justify poor, unequal treatment of black people at large by pointing to chief keef and going "See, that's what YOU'RE LIKE".

nowaysj wrote:See, that's what YOU'RE LIKE

Now I see where I said that.

It's simple

What the police is doing is straight up vigilantism because there are areas where people live where the police wont help out.

nowaysj wrote:

nowaysj wrote:See, that's what YOU'RE LIKE

Now I see where I said that.

nowaysj wrote:

When that tweet says "WE can't scream murder, misogyny, lawlessness then turn around and ask for equality & justice", the "we" is talking about black people, right?

So in other words, hip hop is attached to black people and has nasty lyrics, so black people don't get to ask for equality and justice.

Pretty sure the we is hip hop artists

lil wee

not whilst i am sustaining it is a route cause i would never the less be interested to see a graph plotting incidents of civic unrest within the united states versus the release date of chief keef mixtapes

Harkat wrote:

nowaysj wrote:

nowaysj wrote:See, that's what YOU'RE LIKE

Now I see where I said that.

nowaysj wrote:

When that tweet says "WE can't scream murder, misogyny, lawlessness then turn around and ask for equality & justice", the "we" is talking about black people, right?

So in other words, hip hop is attached to black people and has nasty lyrics, so black people don't get to ask for equality and justice.

Do I need to do more than ?

dickman69 wrote:Pretty sure the we is hip hop artists

So hip hop artist are asking for equality and justice lol? And what the fuck would that have to do with ferguson?

If it is strictly about hip hop artists then why did you post it in the first place nwj? What point are you trying to make.

There's been a pretty bad smug pic post/substantial argument ratio from you last few pages

I think you're willfully missing the point, a dishonest behavior, so I'm not treating you with respect. Show me some respect and I'll respond in kind.

You could interpret what I'm saying as hip hop artists are the popular voice of the black community, and as such wield great power in shaping the thoughts and actions of that community and by extension how that community interacts with the society at large. It is morally, intellectually, and practically inconsistent to worship lawlessness and all the rest of the community destroying ideals in popular hip hop music and then turn around and claim some right to equality and justice when you don't act equally or justly.

I think he is speaking to hip hop artists, but also by proxy and directly to the hip hop community at large. Perhaps the implication is that the reason MB is dead and rotting is because he picked up and emulated a totally terminal hip hop fantasy lifestyle.

You could have interpreted what I said and why I posted that picture like that.

But you went with black people listen to hip hop and hip hop has nasty lyrics, so black people bad.

Where to go for intelligent, sane commentary on these issues on youtube/in the media? I'd like to get under the skin of this thing a bit more. Young Turks and Democracy Now are the only things I check occasionally atm.