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Open bar party yesterday, so missed class this morning

Also, new Theo Parrish album will be 40 quid.. what's that.

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magma wrote:

topmo3 wrote:

magma wrote:I quite like IFLS. I don't fucking like it, but I definitely quite like it more than most things that appear in my newsfeed.

The article on vegetarianism they posted yesterday even made me feel good about eating dead animals.

I'm not talking about you, but I read that article and I have to say that whenever I see stuff like that it just seems like another "attack" on vegetarians, it's not like these people give a fuck about mice being killed they just wanna provoke and piss people off. goes in the same category as those idiots who talk that bullshit about plant consciousness and freshly cut grass smell being the "death cry of the grass being cut" or some shit

I thought the monoculture stuff was pretty insightful.

I'm not sure I've ever knowingly read an "attack" on vegetarians. Read plenty on meat eaters...

but actually it wasn't. yeah there were some grains of truth but it's mostly just blowing shit out of proportion while leaving some stuff out to create as much contradiction as possible.

Ok, I won't argue too much as it sounds like you're already bored of it. I'd just never heard that spin on the conversation, so I was happy for it to be waved under my nose during my commute... but then I don't really read arguments about meat eaters and vegetarians very often, so it may well be old news that you're already pissed off with hearing about.

Would like to hear more on your criticisms if you fancy fleshing (ahem) them out.

Are you a vegetarian out of interest?

AxeD wrote:Open bar party yesterday, so missed class this morning

Also, new Theo Parrish album will be 40 quid.. what's that.

Surprise


Hes a tnuc

dickman69 wrote:

AxeD wrote:Open bar party yesterday, so missed class this morning

Also, new Theo Parrish album will be 40 quid.. what's that.

Surprise


Hes a tnuc

To me he is just an artist that makes really good music. Don't know that much about the guy.
Guess if people like Moodymann and Theo want to release something limited it'll end
up costing 100-200 on discogs anyway

I'm not paying 40 for one record though.

magma wrote:Ok, I won't argue too much as it sounds like you're already bored of it. I'd just never heard that spin on the conversation, so I was happy for it to be waved under my nose during my commute... but then I don't really read arguments about meat eaters and vegetarians very often, so it may well be old news that you're already pissed off with hearing about.

Would like to hear more on your criticisms if you fancy fleshing (ahem) them out.

Are you a vegetarian out of interest?

well, the article falls on it's face before it even begins. from the comments: "what is described in the article applies to only 70% of australians, which is 0.2% of the world's population. so unless the steak, bacon, sausage or other meat product you buy is equally rangelands-produced, the simple fact is that the animal you eat was fed plant food that was, again, grown in agriculture. and therefore, by buying the meat, you multiply the animal deaths caused in agriculture, because meat production requires several times as much agriculture as vegan food production does."

tl;dr: unless you eat freely grown animals that have been fed on natural vegetation (which is super rare) the article doesn't apply to you.

and even if it did, the whole concept is just ridiculously hypocritical. how would an omnivore who blindly accepts what food industry does to animals would just suddenly feel so sympathetic about all the little mice and other animals. it would make sense if they literally lived like a hunter and gatherer but i doubt many do.

yes i'm vegetarian with the small exception of fish on a rare occasion. usually because whenever I visit my parents they usually don't cook any vegetarian food and they just cook up some fish and i don't dare to complain.

was just enjoying this tune



a quick google suggests it's 3x12" but i don't see how that could justify costing 40 bar....

AxeD wrote:

dickman69 wrote:

AxeD wrote:Open bar party yesterday, so missed class this morning

Also, new Theo Parrish album will be 40 quid.. what's that.

Surprise


Hes a tnuc

To me he is just an artist that makes really good music. Don't know that much about the guy.
Guess if people like Moodymann and Theo want to release something limited it'll end
up costing 100-200 on discogs anyway

I'm not paying 40 for one record though.

But it's 3xlp

topmo3 wrote:

magma wrote:Ok, I won't argue too much as it sounds like you're already bored of it. I'd just never heard that spin on the conversation, so I was happy for it to be waved under my nose during my commute... but then I don't really read arguments about meat eaters and vegetarians very often, so it may well be old news that you're already pissed off with hearing about.

Would like to hear more on your criticisms if you fancy fleshing (ahem) them out.

Are you a vegetarian out of interest?

well, the article falls on it's face before it even begins. from the comments: "what is described in the article applies to only 70% of australians, which is 0.2% of the world's population. so unless the steak, bacon, sausage or other meat product you buy is equally rangelands-produced, the simple fact is that the animal you eat was fed plant food that was, again, grown in agriculture. and therefore, by buying the meat, you multiply the animal deaths caused in agriculture, because meat production requires several times as much agriculture as vegan food production does."

tl;dr: unless you eat freely grown animals that have been fed on natural vegetation (which is super rare) the article doesn't apply to you.

and even if it did, the whole concept is just ridiculously hypocritical. how would an omnivore who blindly accepts what food industry does to animals would just suddenly feel so sympathetic about all the little mice and other animals. it would make sense if they literally lived like a hunter and gatherer but i doubt many do.

yes i'm vegetarian with the small exception of fish on a rare occasion. usually because whenever I visit my parents they usually don't cook any vegetarian food and they just cook up some fish and i don't dare to complain.

Agree with most of that; the upshot for me is that meat production can be (as it has needed for a very long time) overhauled into a more environmentally friendly process... us omnivores should all certainly eat less and pay more for our meat to allow grazing animals to be farmed 'sensitively'. Obviously that's aimed at Beef, Lamb and production of other 'grazers' ... it's doesn't help the poultry situation in the slightest, and without looking at numbers, I have a feeling those likely make up the biggest shares of meat consumed.

Strikes me as pretty unfair to tar all meat eaters with the "they don't give a fuck about animals" brush. Just because we accept our position in the food web, doesn't mean we've entirely turned our back on the natural world. Personally, I refuse to buy battery farmed chicken or eggs and try to buy naturally grazed red meat whenever I can... sure, that doesn't apply to all people and isn't always possible, but the assumption that vegetarians "care" and meat eaters don't is more than a little reductive - you only have to look at the amounts spent on "organic" and "free range" meat to show that meat eaters are capable of trying to be better, even if the options given to them today are unsatisfactory.

I just thought it was an interesting addition to the debate. More information is better than less.

sixs wrote:

AxeD wrote:

dickman69 wrote:

AxeD wrote:Open bar party yesterday, so missed class this morning

Also, new Theo Parrish album will be 40 quid.. what's that.

Surprise


Hes a tnuc

To me he is just an artist that makes really good music. Don't know that much about the guy.
Guess if people like Moodymann and Theo want to release something limited it'll end
up costing 100-200 on discogs anyway

I'm not paying 40 for one record though.

But it's 3xlp

Yeah my source didn't mention that. Kind of justifies it, but it's still 9 tracks.
Think I'll get it on CD with the 6 bonus tracks.

CD will sound better anyway tbh

Yeah no surface noise right. Think Peele mentioned this once

magma wrote:

topmo3 wrote:

magma wrote:Ok, I won't argue too much as it sounds like you're already bored of it. I'd just never heard that spin on the conversation, so I was happy for it to be waved under my nose during my commute... but then I don't really read arguments about meat eaters and vegetarians very often, so it may well be old news that you're already pissed off with hearing about.

Would like to hear more on your criticisms if you fancy fleshing (ahem) them out.

Are you a vegetarian out of interest?

well, the article falls on it's face before it even begins. from the comments: "what is described in the article applies to only 70% of australians, which is 0.2% of the world's population. so unless the steak, bacon, sausage or other meat product you buy is equally rangelands-produced, the simple fact is that the animal you eat was fed plant food that was, again, grown in agriculture. and therefore, by buying the meat, you multiply the animal deaths caused in agriculture, because meat production requires several times as much agriculture as vegan food production does."

tl;dr: unless you eat freely grown animals that have been fed on natural vegetation (which is super rare) the article doesn't apply to you.

and even if it did, the whole concept is just ridiculously hypocritical. how would an omnivore who blindly accepts what food industry does to animals would just suddenly feel so sympathetic about all the little mice and other animals. it would make sense if they literally lived like a hunter and gatherer but i doubt many do.

yes i'm vegetarian with the small exception of fish on a rare occasion. usually because whenever I visit my parents they usually don't cook any vegetarian food and they just cook up some fish and i don't dare to complain.

Agree with most of that; the upshot for me is that meat production can be (as it has needed for a very long time) overhauled into a more environmentally friendly process... us omnivores should all certainly eat less and pay more for our meat to allow grazing animals to be farmed 'sensitively'. Obviously that's aimed at Beef, Lamb and production of other 'grazers' ... it's doesn't help the poultry situation in the slightest, and without looking at numbers, I have a feeling those likely make up the biggest shares of meat consumed.

Strikes me as pretty unfair to tar all meat eaters with the "they don't give a fuck about animals" brush. Just because we accept our position in the food web, doesn't mean we've entirely turned our back on the natural world. Personally, I refuse to buy battery farmed chicken or eggs and try to buy naturally grazed red meat whenever I can... sure, that doesn't apply to all people and isn't always possible, but the assumption that vegetarians "care" and meat eaters don't is more than a little reductive - you only have to look at the amounts spent on "organic" and "free range" meat to show that meat eaters are capable of trying to be better, even if the options given to them today are unsatisfactory.

I just thought it was an interesting addition to the debate. More information is better than less.

yeah I totally see what you mean and by the way I hope that you didn't in any point think I was patronizing or accusing you of anything. just talking generally

even though I personally draw a pretty hard line on what's ethical and what's not, I can totally appreciate if a person who eats meat at least puts a little thought on it by choosing organic, local or straight from the farmer or whatever. I know I used to be a meat-eater for the bigger part of my life but still I thought animals were cool and important. but what's cool is that the industry has no choice but to offer organic, gmo / additive free meat products because that's what the market nowadays wants. it's not right still but it's sort of better, I guess.

all in all I can see people cringing at us bringing this tiresome debate up yet again so I have nothing more to add

topmo3 wrote:

magma wrote:

topmo3 wrote:

magma wrote:Ok, I won't argue too much as it sounds like you're already bored of it. I'd just never heard that spin on the conversation, so I was happy for it to be waved under my nose during my commute... but then I don't really read arguments about meat eaters and vegetarians very often, so it may well be old news that you're already pissed off with hearing about.

Would like to hear more on your criticisms if you fancy fleshing (ahem) them out.

Are you a vegetarian out of interest?

well, the article falls on it's face before it even begins. from the comments: "what is described in the article applies to only 70% of australians, which is 0.2% of the world's population. so unless the steak, bacon, sausage or other meat product you buy is equally rangelands-produced, the simple fact is that the animal you eat was fed plant food that was, again, grown in agriculture. and therefore, by buying the meat, you multiply the animal deaths caused in agriculture, because meat production requires several times as much agriculture as vegan food production does."

tl;dr: unless you eat freely grown animals that have been fed on natural vegetation (which is super rare) the article doesn't apply to you.

and even if it did, the whole concept is just ridiculously hypocritical. how would an omnivore who blindly accepts what food industry does to animals would just suddenly feel so sympathetic about all the little mice and other animals. it would make sense if they literally lived like a hunter and gatherer but i doubt many do.

yes i'm vegetarian with the small exception of fish on a rare occasion. usually because whenever I visit my parents they usually don't cook any vegetarian food and they just cook up some fish and i don't dare to complain.

Agree with most of that; the upshot for me is that meat production can be (as it has needed for a very long time) overhauled into a more environmentally friendly process... us omnivores should all certainly eat less and pay more for our meat to allow grazing animals to be farmed 'sensitively'. Obviously that's aimed at Beef, Lamb and production of other 'grazers' ... it's doesn't help the poultry situation in the slightest, and without looking at numbers, I have a feeling those likely make up the biggest shares of meat consumed.

Strikes me as pretty unfair to tar all meat eaters with the "they don't give a fuck about animals" brush. Just because we accept our position in the food web, doesn't mean we've entirely turned our back on the natural world. Personally, I refuse to buy battery farmed chicken or eggs and try to buy naturally grazed red meat whenever I can... sure, that doesn't apply to all people and isn't always possible, but the assumption that vegetarians "care" and meat eaters don't is more than a little reductive - you only have to look at the amounts spent on "organic" and "free range" meat to show that meat eaters are capable of trying to be better, even if the options given to them today are unsatisfactory.

I just thought it was an interesting addition to the debate. More information is better than less.

yeah I totally see what you mean and by the way I hope that you didn't in any point think I was patronizing or accusing you of anything. just talking generally

even though I personally draw a pretty hard line on what's ethical and what's not, I can totally appreciate if a person who eats meat at least puts a little thought on it by choosing organic, local or straight from the farmer or whatever. I know I used to be a meat-eater for the bigger part of my life but still I thought animals were cool and important. but what's cool is that the industry has no choice but to offer organic, gmo / additive free meat products because that's what the market nowadays wants. it's not right still but it's sort of better, I guess.

all in all I can see people cringing at us bringing this tiresome debate up yet again so I have nothing more to add

did this thinking id cheer my self up and find out im financially ok

turns out 0% of people are poorer than me. i am literally the poorest

http://howrichareyou.channel4.com/

thats at £390 a month

Are you employed or are you a student? That's not great if you're on a full time working wage but quite normal if you're student

ezza wrote:did this thinking id cheer my self up and find out im financially ok

turns out 0% of people are poorer than me. i am literally the poorest

http://howrichareyou.channel4.com/

Got too much of a cold to go Joy O all nighter tonight

fill urself full of dayqil & go bro