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wormcode wrote:Yes Genevieve I've seen those Romney quotes before. Romney is a flip-flopper for the ages, one for the books. He has since started calling himself vehemently pro-life, since 2008 or so. I agree with what you're saying, but I think any president who ended the imperialism and shut down bases abroad, which I'm all for, would most likely be committing political suicide in the US, and it would get them shut down almost immediately one way or another. I'm sure Obama knows that, so he plays their game.

wormcode wrote:I've mentioned before how Obama is still far to the right of what I'm into, but what I also take into deep consideration between Obama vs Romney (or any of them really) is religion and attitude towards foreign countries, especially the middle east. Obama claims to be Christian, but I have my doubts on his sincerity. Not that I think he is Muslim or any of that conspiracy shit, but I think he's just playing the game again. The US majority won't stand for atheists in high office, and I don't necessarily think he's atheist, but he has had atheist family make an impact on his life, as well as Muslim family (and surroundings growing up) so at the very least he can empathise with more than just run of the mill American Christians. I think that's extremely important, especially in the 21st century.

wormcode wrote:Not to mention Romney's Mormonism, which takes the crazy religious beliefs to new heights. One of my main concerns is people's religious beliefs having an influence on their decisions in office. That whole ''let jesus take the wheel' mindset. Like how most of the neocons want to be Israel's number 1 BFF because they think Jesus is going to come back to claim the land, and they want dibs on the rapture. That's the kind of stuff they have talked about, and honestly I find that scary.

SCope13 wrote:Yeah, economically and and foreign policy wise, Obama and Romney wouldn't be much different. (Romney maybe a bit more aggressive on the foreign policy front) But socially, they're two very different people. If Obama's elected, gay marriage could very well be legalized at the federal level in a couple years. If Romney's elected, that probably won't happen for a while. So Obama is the preferable choice here. Still not voting for him though because he's a pro-wall street douche and I hate the Dems.

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Genevieve wrote: Based on what? Like I said, side by side, he's worse than Bush, but you're still making apologies for Obama? Who cares about political suicide when he can save thousands of innocent lives (now and in the future)? How does that make him 'better'? That makes him every bit as much of a slimeball.

Genevieve wrote: 'He may have killed more people than Bush, but at least he isn't as much of a christian'.

Genevieve wrote:It's not _their_ religious beliefs that influence their decision making process. It's the beliefs of the people that vote for them. You really think Dick Cheney gives a fuck about a fetus?

wormcode wrote: What do you mean based on what? I'm not making apologies, I'm not even a supporter, that's just how it works. The president isn't as powerful as people think, if anything it's a PR position and a head for people to place blame on. If you think someone like Ron Paul or even my original choice Stewart Alexander could just come in and end the war and shut down bases in 48 hours, I don't believe that's possible for a president (JFK attempted similar). Even if they were to attempt that, I've got no doubt they would be removed and have that reversed. Like you said in your post above this one: Whether or not Obama or Romney is president, the same people would be running the show anyway.
Exactly. Those people do NOT want bases shut down, or wars to end. They'd be happy as pigs in shit if it went on for another 10 years and Iran was invaded tomorrow.

wormcode wrote:It's both, but their beliefs influence every single thing they think and do, it doesn't matter if something is more rational or not, most people, including politicians, take religion into account in their every day decision making. And yes I think he does give a fuck about a fetus as long as it's a white christian fetus.

Genevieve wrote:Except a president still has legal authority to move troops at will. The president is commander in chief. Even if it wouldn't end all foreign involvement. It would be a huge setback for America's military interventionism.

Be all that as it may. Obama, given his authority as 'commander in chief' didn't do everything that he can. Especially considering he went around congress to seek authority to start MORE military conflicts from the United Nations, If he did everythign that he could, surely, these would've been a more peaceful less 4 years. Maybe not entirely peaceful, but an improvement.

And while you're not a supporter. You're still convinced that he has good intentions. While his funding and actions show quite the opposite. My point is that lots of people are pretty soft on their criticism of Democrats and Obama compared to Republicans. You don't have to be an outright supporter to be 'well yeah he's killed thousands of people, aquired the authority to indefinitely hold you without process and killed some civilians, which even Bush didn't do.. BUT HE STILL DOES WHAT HE CAN, DAMNIT'.

It's about wielding power and using people's religion to do so. There's a lot of politicians, from both parties who do have a hard on for Jesus. But MOST of the big guys would abort a fetus in a heartbeat if it means an extra million dollars.

nowaysj wrote:Quote: Everyone carries a part of society on his shoulders, no one is relieved of his share of responsibility by others!

nowaysj wrote:Quote: Everyone carries a part of society on his shoulders, no one is relieved of his share of responsibility by others!

LACE wrote:some american dude was on icelandic news today (probably just some random choosen for the ''who are you gonna vote for question'') and he says ''my choice is romney because i think obama is leading us down a path of losing our national identity.'' i mean what the fuck does that even mean, he's a fucking american!

you guys can continue, but that kind of shit coming from some people voting for romney is just gaaahhhhh

Genevieve wrote:I mean, that's what that quote says 'you're born a slave to others'.

LACE wrote:yeah yeah i know you hate obama.

..still gonna vote for him though. =D

nowaysj wrote:

Genevieve wrote:I mean, that's what that quote says 'you're born a slave to others'.

Closer from homie's speech. ^