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fractal wrote:


i also would like to point out that where im from, milksnake is another word for penis

haha i like blackdown's column and radio show too but that quote rubs my penis the wrong way. also where i come from 'fractal' is a random word in the dictionary that makes me really bored when i read it.

rob sparx wrote:

SickMan D wrote:We don't need no Dev Paradox in dubstep, what is the point really?

Without Paradox that Paradox Diss tune would never have been made - that was a work of comedy genius indeed although I do agree with Paradox that some of Pendulums music sounds like Kazoos (duh-da-da-duh-da-da) yea they've done plenty of polished turds but theres a world of idiots out there hungry for their next turd fix so fair play to them, laughing all the way the bank!

I have not heard the Paradox Diss Tune

I can do nothing but laugh at the blatant display of closed minds in this thread, and many other threads similar.

kion wrote:

rob sparx wrote:

SickMan D wrote:..but theres a world of idiots out there hungry for their next turd fix so fair play to them..

why do dogs love eating poo.. I'll never get that.

lol I know especially when they're puppies!

abZ wrote:I have not heard the Paradox Diss Tune

Remind me after the weekend and ill upload it on here - someones sampled an interview where Paradox was coating off Pendulum and all things clownstep but they chopped all the words up, best diss tune ive ever heard

let people make what they want to make
i love the variety in dubstep atmo and wouldnt like things to go back to 2005/06 as things have defo improved

Oh, won't SOMEBODY think of the children? :'|

rob sparx wrote:

kion wrote:

rob sparx wrote:

SickMan D wrote:..but theres a world of idiots out there hungry for their next turd fix so fair play to them..

why do dogs love eating poo.. I'll never get that.

lol I know especially when they're puppies!

Re-quote mash up there...

Alright then one Dev wouldnt hurt, I do agree he does amuse more than he infuriates and I dont really disagree with some of his views, just his approach. I would never want to see his live talk show... but I still appreciate his music.

Blackdown discusses it in his 'best of 2009' column on Pitchfork; http://pitchfork.com/features/grime-dub ... e-dubstep/

blackdown wrote:No summary of the year in dubstep would be complete without the ever-expanding wobble side of the scene, recently hilariously and accurately renamed "brostep." In the UK, the wobble sound is now the default dubstep position for many fans, as the scene commands a increasing share of the Friday night/student/super club market. With the fanbase expanded far beyond any one core, complaints about deviations from South London circa 2005 or an overall loss of direction feel increasingly irrelevant. Many new dubstep fans neither know nor care about those issues, and complaining about glories past is futile. So fair play to all the brostep ravers 'aving it:

some do it excellent..some dont. ( i dont)

Its all about personal taste. Dubstep for me is about feeling it in the chest..not the ears.

I think its a shame most promotors are scared to book deeper artist these days though.

joe muggs wrote:Sorry to harp on on this topic, I know it's the most boring thing in music BUT I've been asked to do an article explaining to outsiders the debate going on about different sounds. There are so many newcomers who are really puzzled when they hear, say, Caspa and Breakage on Annie mac, then someone plays them Pinch and DFRNT and says 'this is dubstep'.

I've got loads of quotes from Caspa/Skream/Plastician etc on why the hard/uptempo stuff is good and successful, and some good stuff from Blackdown and Geiom on why they don't like it, but I haven't got anyone who's willing to go on record really slating it or saying 'it's not dubstep'. Can anyone think of anyone prominent in the scene who has already said something like this?

I'm not trying to whip up artificial divisions here, seriously, and anyone who knows my work knows I take a balanced view of these things and I'm definitely not anti-jump-up myself - but I can't show a realistic picture of the scene in 2009 unless I can show how strong some people's views are...

I think no one has said it because no one cares, or at least they realise how much of a cock they would seem to say something along those lines. I am sure people who identify with Dubstep really think it's important....something tells me producers who identify with MUSIC don't.

Dubstep is a style of music that is so open, and so varied.

Can we not like that about it?

milksnake wrote:

chainsawclownstyle wrote:In general the people making the heavier styles are doing it in an effort to take direct aim at the head of those who make pretentious statements such as Blackdown is quoted above.

Particularly the shit about how he built the scene, and that sort of thing. I mean really?

LOL yea that quote made my skin crawl alittle bit too.

I think you 2 have totally misread what he was trying to say.

OP is blatant troll

Ok i've not read all the postss in this thread so i will say sorry in advance if this has already been said.

: Why do people have this illusion that Jump-Up tracks are killing Dubstep? who has the gun to these peoples heads forcing them into say "Dub Police" at fabrics or forcing them to buy all these Jump-Up (well ...Dubsteps equiverlent) tracks, im sure as a scene it's big enough for the different styles to sit side buy side.

: So why is the Jump-Up sound played more in the clubs? well like in Drum and Bass, if you go to one of the big club nights (One Nation/A.C of even fabrics on a friday) the Jump-Up sound is kind off the default sound because...............well your in a club i presume your there to have a good time and cut some shapes rather than stand at the back stroking your beard saying to your friends "hmmmm the amount of space on this track is excellent". Make no mistake, i really think every music scene needs it's deeper side, to balance the movement as you will and i cant see why someone can't start (unless there already is one) a night devoted to that side of the sound? last time i checked, Renagade Hardware still sells out everytime and the Good Looking Records Monthly at Fabrics is always busy, even though D,N,B,s biggest label (pretty much) Playaz is in the room next door.

: Finally if you look back at any music scene, that scenes respected "timeless classics" are very rarely "Jump-Up" tunes, Jump-Up by nature is quite throw-away music, i will be surprised if the biggest wobble tracks today are still on heavy rotation this time next year. The deeper sound will alway last longer.

Thats my view anyway, sorry to write this in the thread and it dont really answer Joe's question but im just confused as to if this scene is "dying" how comes more people are into it than ever before?

why do so many people just not fucking get that people aren't necessarily being closed minded just because they think a subgenre is shit that they have heard extensively and experienced overstanding of?

IT DOESN'T MAKE ANYONE CLOSED MINDED YOU IDIOTS!!!!

besides people are crying out for variety more than anything else as opposed to being guaranteed total shit wherever they go now....

the more interesting and more importantly more authentic sound is being driven out by 18 year old students with names like crispin that listen to pendulum....many people begrudge this....but it is NOT being narrow minded

when done well harsher aggressive sounds are amazing ala vex'd, broken note, lone wolf and a few others....when it's done without ambition and just trying to be a cliched posturing anthem for people wanting to look cool and hard at the same time it's fucking dull to anyone that to be honest listens to a broader spectrum of music and is aware of how great it can be...so really the people being closed minded are the people raving about generic HARD lame bass music...

I don't know why I keep reading this stuff, it is not like we are all going to come to some big resolution.

Piston I understand what you are saying but I think what you are describing is somewhat limited to where you live. I don't see it like that in the states. Plus I don't think cutting the scene in two is going create more variety in sets, quite the opposite I would guess!

Ultimately I think the discussion boils down to quality control and lack or good or veteran dj's. There are just so many DJ's around that got their start on dubstep and have been doing it for 3 years or less. 99% of the time you aren't going to get a quality set from them. DJing is an art and a craft and takes time to learn. Now computers do the beatmatching for you but as far as I know there still isn't a track selection plug in.

As far as quality control goes, get used to it! That is all I can say, digital music has brought this on and it is not going away. On the bright side I think it is even easier for a good hardworking dj or artist to distance themselves from the crowd as so many people are getting lazy and choosing their music from top 100 lists or choosing from whatever is listed on the rapid share sites.

no abz they need to be told!

'U GUIZE R SO NARRO MINEDED!!!!'

fuck off you boring stnuc

Meh, half the people who make teh wubz (myself included) are just people who love the music, want to get involved, but don't have the talent to do anything new. Now I'm gonna go listen to some dubstep.

m2j wrote: your in a club i presume your there to have a good time and cut some shapes rather than stand at the back stroking your beard saying to your friends "hmmmm the amount of space on this track is excellent".

So I can't have a good time listening to some good music? rather than going mental to disposable shit?

(Pada) wrote:

m2j wrote: your in a club i presume your there to have a good time and cut some shapes rather than stand at the back stroking your beard saying to your friends "hmmmm the amount of space on this track is excellent".

So I can't have a good time listening to some good music? rather than going mental to disposable shit?

exactly.....joy orbison is wicked to dance about to and i was once in a pit seeing vex'd and when they dropped killing floor the place was buzzin...

also seen wobble artists with annoying kids wearing those mcdonalds sunglasses affecting cool moves in a cliched fashion