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lloydnoise wrote: There is no 'where' in regards to time, that's why it's not a spatial dimension.

Also, time is a proven concept, both theories of relativity deal with spacetime and those theories are pretty sound.
If you travel incredibly fast, time slows down in relation. If you go the speed of light, time stops. You have swapped all your time for space, you are travelling through space at the maximum speed (light) therefore you must travel through time with the minimum speed (no time).

Not believing in time makes you sound like a mentalcase[/quote]

many people sounded like a mental case before they sounded like everyone else, the dumber their audiences, the nuttier they looked, it's classic. the fact that water being wet feels nutty for you says nothing about me

i want to know how can you connect an existing point with a non-existing one, like my past that's not existing anymore. if it exists in this universe, it's gotta be defined by space also. can you think of anything that exists and they don't take space?

i'd like to see any demonstration about the existence of time, what you say there deals not with existence of time, more like with the relationship space/time already assuming time exists

parson wrote:watch the fucking video or get the fuck out of the fucking thread about the video

why, because you are not sure of yourself you can really extract something from that vid, formulate it with your own words and make an argument here?
the video is bullcrap, of course i've watched it
that's why you can;t ever answer my questions, you're just a collection of links and quotes that can't really operate with them and arrange them in a coherent and functioning system, you just collect bits and pieces and drop them where they seem fit to support a pre-made judgment and conclusions you have.

Well, gravity affects time. Time slows down when there is a stronger gravitational pull. Atomic clocks in space run a little faster than ones on Earth (the difference is tiny, but it's there), relatively.

Now you're not going to dispute the existance of gravity, are you?

If gravity is a real force, and has an effect on the passing of time, then time itself must be 'real' to be affected.


Well, that's my logic anyway.

karmacazee wrote:Well, gravity affects time. Time slows down when there is a stronger gravitational pull. Atomic clocks in space run a little faster than ones on Earth (the difference is tiny, but it's there), relatively.

Now you're not going to dispute the existance of gravity, are you?

If gravity is a real force, and has an effect on the passing of time, then time itself must be 'real' to be affected.


Well, that's my logic anyway.

I don't know, it's all interesting but I can't even prove my own existence let alone the existence of things independent from me.

How can you prove gravity exists when the only thing you have to prove it with is yourself?

alien pimp wrote:i want to know how can you connect an existing point with a non-existing one, like my past that's not existing anymore. if it exists in this universe, it's gotta be defined by space also. can you think of anything that exists and they don't take space?

God

bandshell wrote:

karmacazee wrote:Well, gravity affects time. Time slows down when there is a stronger gravitational pull. Atomic clocks in space run a little faster than ones on Earth (the difference is tiny, but it's there), relatively.

Now you're not going to dispute the existance of gravity, are you?

If gravity is a real force, and has an effect on the passing of time, then time itself must be 'real' to be affected.


Well, that's my logic anyway.

I don't know, it's all interesting but I can't even prove my own existence let alone the existence of things independent from me.

How can you prove gravity exists when the only thing you have to prove it with is yourself?

Well, I take my existence for granted I suppose. If it turns out that I'm a character in a game, or a figure in a dream, that's still my reality. I'm still here, hologram or not.

karmacazee wrote:

bandshell wrote:

karmacazee wrote:Well, gravity affects time. Time slows down when there is a stronger gravitational pull. Atomic clocks in space run a little faster than ones on Earth (the difference is tiny, but it's there), relatively.

Now you're not going to dispute the existance of gravity, are you?

If gravity is a real force, and has an effect on the passing of time, then time itself must be 'real' to be affected.


Well, that's my logic anyway.

I don't know, it's all interesting but I can't even prove my own existence let alone the existence of things independent from me.

How can you prove gravity exists when the only thing you have to prove it with is yourself?

Well, I take my existence for granted I suppose. If it turns out that I'm a character in a game, or a figure in a dream, that's still my reality. I'm still here, hologram or not.

That would still be existing though, if you were in a game etc

karmacazee wrote:Well, gravity affects time. Time slows down when there is a stronger gravitational pull. Atomic clocks in space run a little faster than ones on Earth (the difference is tiny, but it's there), relatively.

Now you're not going to dispute the existance of gravity, are you?

If gravity is a real force, and has an effect on the passing of time, then time itself must be 'real' to be affected.


Well, that's my logic anyway.

as long as time is imaginary, you can imagine i'm making spacecakes out of it

kay wrote:

alien pimp wrote:i want to know how can you connect an existing point with a non-existing one, like my past that's not existing anymore. if it exists in this universe, it's gotta be defined by space also. can you think of anything that exists and they don't take space?

God

i know you're joking and testing waters, but if i am to take it seriously nobody says god is separated from space, rather one and the same

alien pimp wrote:

karmacazee wrote:Well, gravity affects time. Time slows down when there is a stronger gravitational pull. Atomic clocks in space run a little faster than ones on Earth (the difference is tiny, but it's there), relatively.

Now you're not going to dispute the existance of gravity, are you?

If gravity is a real force, and has an effect on the passing of time, then time itself must be 'real' to be affected.


Well, that's my logic anyway.

as long as time is imaginary, you can imagine i'm making spacecakes out of it

bandshell wrote:

karmacazee wrote:

bandshell wrote:

karmacazee wrote:Well, gravity affects time. Time slows down when there is a stronger gravitational pull. Atomic clocks in space run a little faster than ones on Earth (the difference is tiny, but it's there), relatively.

Now you're not going to dispute the existance of gravity, are you?

If gravity is a real force, and has an effect on the passing of time, then time itself must be 'real' to be affected.


Well, that's my logic anyway.

I don't know, it's all interesting but I can't even prove my own existence let alone the existence of things independent from me.

How can you prove gravity exists when the only thing you have to prove it with is yourself?

Well, I take my existence for granted I suppose. If it turns out that I'm a character in a game, or a figure in a dream, that's still my reality. I'm still here, hologram or not.

That would still be existing though, if you were in a game etc

the self is the only certainty one can have
and the non-existence of perfection

edit: there's a few more things i'd bet an arm for, but for the above i can bet the whole myself

time and space aren't just relative, they're part of the same thing. spacetime.

I believe space and time exist together. The theory is that you are constantly in the present, "walking along" a timeline. Every decision you make is one of many possibilities, and every time a certain possiblity is created a new universe is created in parallel whereby a different action was taken. Basically it's all rather grandiose, complicated stuff that is totally in its' infancy as far as R+D of the theory goes. We cannot prove the existence of multidimensions until we can find the graviton. The idea with the graviton is that it is a super small particle with an important difference to all other particles in our universe - they are not tied down to the first 4 dimensions. I think string theory supposes that all particles are made of open energy loops that are "tied down" at either end to the dimension that they belong in. A graviton is supposed to be a closed circle, and hence is not tied down and is free to move between the universes - this would explain why Gravity is such a weak force yet has infinite range - it cannot focus it's energy but is unnaffected by space and time. Two microscopic particles at the opposite ends of the universe still manage to exact some kind of gravitational force on each other.

alien pimp wrote:

bandshell wrote:

karmacazee wrote:

bandshell wrote:

karmacazee wrote:Well, gravity affects time. Time slows down when there is a stronger gravitational pull. Atomic clocks in space run a little faster than ones on Earth (the difference is tiny, but it's there), relatively.

Now you're not going to dispute the existance of gravity, are you?

If gravity is a real force, and has an effect on the passing of time, then time itself must be 'real' to be affected.


Well, that's my logic anyway.

I don't know, it's all interesting but I can't even prove my own existence let alone the existence of things independent from me.

How can you prove gravity exists when the only thing you have to prove it with is yourself?

Well, I take my existence for granted I suppose. If it turns out that I'm a character in a game, or a figure in a dream, that's still my reality. I'm still here, hologram or not.

That would still be existing though, if you were in a game etc

the self is the only certainty one can have
and the non-existence of perfection

edit: there's a few more things i'd bet an arm for, but for the above i can bet the whole myself

how is it certain?

bandshell wrote:

alien pimp wrote:

bandshell wrote:

karmacazee wrote:

bandshell wrote:
I don't know, it's all interesting but I can't even prove my own existence let alone the existence of things independent from me.

How can you prove gravity exists when the only thing you have to prove it with is yourself?

Well, I take my existence for granted I suppose. If it turns out that I'm a character in a game, or a figure in a dream, that's still my reality. I'm still here, hologram or not.

That would still be existing though, if you were in a game etc

the self is the only certainty one can have
and the non-existence of perfection

edit: there's a few more things i'd bet an arm for, but for the above i can bet the whole myself

how is it certain?

too large, but:
do you perceive yourself? if so who's to do that act of self perception if you don't exist?
if self perception is an illusion too, who's to have that illusion?

"Today, a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration – that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There's no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we're the imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom with the weather."

parson wrote: we're the imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom with the weather."

you are so fascinated by stuff that just sounds good and you use it replace critical thinking and reason
there's truth in that, but that's far from what you take out of it, you're just like the hippie girls making a lifestyle out of grateful dead lyrics

why does the illusion have to belong to anything?

fascinating perspective. tell me more about hippie girls and your theories on physics being a sham.