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firky wrote:Not really a brass band but wtf

Hahahahahaha

wolf89 wrote:

firky wrote:Not really a brass band but wtf

Hahahahahaha

wrong thread lol?

current advice here on CPR is:
do something if they're not breathing or in cardiac arrest
otherwise they'll die anyway
you can't be held liable for injuries if you've tried something reasonable
like chest pumps or breaths

is this just Aussie commonsense?

my mum has Alzheimers
hasn't known me for years
(she may not want to )
it's hard on my only sister who can't talk to her mum
and dad who has a partner that pushes him away
but hardest on mum
who, on rare occasions,
in an inkling of self-awareness,
realizes what is happening.

the horror i see in her face
is like watching someone falling away,
down a bottomless black shaft

pretty heavy eh?
i've decided that if i start getting the symptoms
(& I'm sure you'll tell me when you detect them )
i'll go out in remote bush
sit under a tree
and fast to death

it's not so much getting it or the suffering
it's the long, slow pain of loved ones' bereavement
and whilst they may take badly
the fact that i didn't give them the opportunity
to care for me,
if i am honest and tell them what and why,
then it's not the act of a control freak
but a conscious decision based in reality.

anyway there have been medical research reports lately
that promise breakthroughs in prevention within 5 to 10 years

edit to replace you with i & own it

sd5 wrote:current advice here on CPR is:
do something if they're not breathing or in cardiac arrest
otherwise they'll die anyway
you can't be held liable for injuries if you've tried something reasonable
like chest pumps or breaths

is this just Aussie commonsense?

my mum has Alzheimers
hasn't known me for years
(she may not want to )
it's hard on my only sister who can't talk to her mum
and dad who has a partner that pushes him away
but hardest on mum
who, on rare occasions,
in an inkling of self-awareness,
realizes what is happening.

the horror i see in her face
is like watching someone falling away,
down a bottomless black shaft

I hate that, or when they start sobbing.
Or say that they want to go home..

when they?

Yeah I noticed that spectacular insensitivity myself.

knell wrote:unfortunately let my morbid curiosity overtake me when i first watched that Sergei Yatzenko 3guys1hammer business...

really shook me, definitely lost sleep over it...

growing up in south africa, i saw a couple friends after they had been killed, but never saw it in action, the actual event taking place, and watching a murder is that much more wretched than seeing someone die of (semi)natural causes (imo)

really is the worst thing for me to think about

ah...out of curiosity i watched some of this. I am traumatized...holy shit!

kidshuffle wrote:

firky wrote:

fc wrote: I don't see that as a difficult situtation-surely you wouldn't let someone die because you didnt have a piece of paper

If you don't know what you're doing you can make things worse. That's partly why NHS paramedics hate St. John's ambulance, they've a bit of a rep' for getting it wrong but acting with the best intentions. Doctors are obliged by their oath to intervene and help people in need, nurses are not and it's a bit of a grey area if they should intervene or not. Some nurses did their training decades ago and have very limited hands on clinical care and even more never need to do CPR at work (where there's proper gear), so some nurses choose not to stop at RTAs for example.

Yeah this, although here you have to update whatever first aid you have every two years (I think anyways. I know its less than five), including doctors and nurses (I hope)

If you don't know what you're doing, you're more likely to kill the person than save them. And its the basic rescue rule: Rescuer over Rescued. If you're not confident, you don't do it.

errr WHAT! i'd say even if you're not confident, for god's sake have a go - I don't see how you could possibly make it worse .... you're doing CPR because they have stopping breathing and their heart has stopped beating! EVERY second counts in this situation, are you seriously telling me you'd stand there doing nothing til an ambulance arrives whilst their brain was starved of oxygen because you couldnt remember the exact details...?
Nurses, pharmacists etc are obliged to help by their code of ethics - it's not a legal responsibility but you could be struck off for not intervening (and rightly so)
In fact in most European countries (not the UK) normal citizens have a legal 'duty to rescue' ie to help others in an emergency, and can be prosecuted for not doing so

sd5 wrote:
current advice here on CPR is:
do something if they're not breathing or in cardiac arrest
otherwise they'll die anyway
you can't be held liable for injuries if you've tried something reasonable
like chest pumps or breaths

is this just Aussie commonsense?

I would say this is the current thinking in the UK too, in fact my first aid teacher had a legendary saying (broad Northern accent) "OWT'S BETTER THAN NOWT!" ie somethings better than nothing so even if you dont know exactly, at least try
no-one has ever been successfully sued for giving wrong first aid the UK... this is known as the Good Samaritan principle - so long as you're acting someones best interests you'll be fine

sd5 wrote:when they?

People who have Alzheimers.

How is that insensitive! If anything, it's vague. But it's not. Because there were quotes.

When someone who has Alzheimers demands to go home, and they're in their home, it's absolutely heartbreaking.
I mean, I don't know about you but I hate being homesick.

found out a few gorey websites back in 06. have been watching death videos since. hasn't scarred me I can still sleep at night (i'm not insensitive) but I can't get use to the videos if you know what I mean. it doesn't really phase me in a way of maybe someone else but it still effects me i feel sympathy for all the people that have died in the countless number of videos I have watched.

Similar experience to the OP. Met a guy in the hospital and chatted with him a bit about end of life care, but he seemed completely healthy, other than being a bit frail. He had platelet counts that were unbelievably low though. He was able to do everything, he was just fragile.

Anyways, the next day they called me and my preceptor down because one of our patients was in the ER. Turned out he had just rolled over the wrong way in bed, and ended up getting a brain haemorrhage. Seeing him fine one day and then completely out of it, knocking on deaths door the next day certainly threw me for a loop for a while...

never seen anyone die or even a dead body in real life, but, like Hypefiend, i have seen A LOT of gore pictures, videos, you name it. I've gotten completely used to it by now, though.
i found this website in 6th grade, sooooo about 11 years old. thatsphucked.com (it's okay to link to NSFW sites, right?)

also, my grandma currently has Alzheimer's disease. it's pretty sad to hear her forget my mother's name or just how to perform basic day-to-day tasks, although i've haven't seen her since she's been diagnosed 'cause she lives in Florida. she's perfectly healthy, which makes it more...depressing,

also, like wolf, my friend when he was in about 4th grade i think, came home to find his sick mom lifeless. i still can't fathom how he must've felt

mylon wrote:never seen anyone die or even a dead body in real life, but, like Hypefiend, i have seen A LOT of gore pictures, videos, you name it. I've gotten completely used to it by now, though.
i found this website in 6th grade, sooooo about 11 years old. thatsphucked.com (it's okay to link to NSFW sites, right?)

also, my grandma currently has Alzheimer's disease. it's pretty sad to hear her forget my mother's name or just how to perform basic day-to-day tasks, although i've haven't seen her since she's been diagnosed 'cause she lives in Florida. she's perfectly healthy, which makes it more...depressing,

also, like wolf, my friend when he was in about 4th grade i think, came home to find his sick mom lifeless. i still can't fathom how he must've felt

troll??

i'm not trolling...

Not meaning to kick off this massive debate once again but I can't get my head around sensible, good people watching these death/gore films. Just vague descriptions of some of the videos my mates and you guys have seen make me feel sick, I don't know how anyone could stomach it.

therapist wrote:Not meaning to kick off this massive debate once again but I can't get my head around sensible, good people watching these death/gore films. Just vague descriptions of some of the videos my mates and you guys have seen make me feel sick, I don't know how anyone could stomach it.

well i'm not the type of person that would faint or throw up to certain smells/videos/pictures so i guess that sort of helps me out when im watching gruesome videos/looking at pictures. i'm still disgusted just not extremely disgusted to the point where I can't view it at all. i'm not trying to say i'm some sort of ard badman. i definitely feel sympathy for the deceased just i'm not really that grossed out as others may be.

Have never seen a fellow human die, but had a grim journey back from a night at Gatecrasher as a teen. 50 went down on a bus, 49 came back up. One of the lads was rushed to hospital after spending the night taking pills and sweating buckets but not touching a drop of water. When the news hit us halfway up the road to Glasgow that he had passed away the party vibes were well and truly over. For the next 2 hours, no one barely said a word, apart from a few insensitive stnuc up the back that we're still laughing and having a great time. Grim stuff.

But on a lighter note, thanks to this thread i've just discovered this remix...

Wow.

I have never seen anyone die a gory death but 4years ago my mom had a stroke, but they didn't get her checked in quick enough(cocksuckers) she had a ruptured blood vessel on the brain and the bleeding put pressure on her brain so if they had kept her alive she would have been a vegetable.. so long story short my brother and i had to give permission for them to take her off life support, probably the worst decision i have or will ever have to make in my life. i wouldnt wish it on anyone, seeing her take her last breath and the feeling i had inside will be in my memory for a long time, it felt like a part me died that day. worst day of my life. Big love to anyone without their mom or dads in their lives.

Well im depressed

I had to go and help my best-friend's mom pick him up from behind a toilet after a heroine OD.
He was all stiff n cold, crammed in behind the loo.
I pulled him out and laid him on the floor.
As I put him down, the last breath left his lungs.
Very haunting.
He will be missed.