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troll under your real account and maybe i'll give you a genuine response (your username come on)mtedens_disciple wrote:@Deadly Habit
Hello, as you have most likely ascertained before even reading this post, i am new to posting on DSF. What you may not now, is for how long I have actively lurked this forum. From Q&A's from many of my favourite producers to unexpected goldmines from even less expected posters, I surely have seen some valuable information on this forum, however the all-too-frequent bitching and whining that appears on this forum (typically at the fingertips of some regulars here) has long quelled my desire to join myself. I knew i would end up joining at some point for some purpose, but i never expected it would be to address you...
First off, let me say that i respect your creative direction and musicality, and genuinely admire how often you offer your advice and assistance on this forum. Though personally i have yet to find anything proactively 'helpful' amongst your posts (though admittedly i couldn't bring myself to read anything older/more than the ones i have been exposed to since stumbling on this forum), i don't doubt that you have helped many.
What gets me, is that 80% of the time somebody asks a question that may (or 'may not' in more cases than you would admit) have been accurately answered in a previous post, let's say for an example a 'Datsik' or 'Excision' thread, you and/or one of the other frequent posters goes to town on the poor OP, explicitly demeaning them for asking/not already knowing, and cursing the gods for ever giving humans the capacity to
a) EVER ask a question twice, and
b) EVER take more than one attempt to understand ANYTHING.
You are so quick to belittle posters on this forum yet you are apparently not intelligent enough to grasp that if a (repetitive) thread's title angers you, the content probably will too, and hence reading and responding negatively does not equate to much net gain xD
when there is a giant sticky up top which recently changed title to midrange bass and originally was datsik excision bass look here, it's just pure laziness and adds to the clutter for people who actually do use the search function and read the stickies
Although many will disagree (though im sure many more will concur), i think that Skrillex is quite a talented producer, regardless of the type of person he is or how he got to where he is. Recently you have described him as simply 'flavor of the month who honestly don't have the hardest sounds to emulate', adding that you 'still find the majority of his shit generic' and criticising him for 'having no shame at selling out'.
i never called him an untalented producer, i'm just saying personally i don't get it. i've even said in other threads more power to him for cashing in on his previous music fame and riding that wave, i just a.) see it as simply cashing in on dubstep with no real roots or contribution to the music or scene b.) when i first heard his music it sounded like borgore with more change ups with some fidget and progressive added on top, to me generic dancefloor fodder, which has a short shelf life
I was just wondering if you would clarify exactly what you mean by him 'selling out'. Are you referring to the fact that he has recently successfully/consistently created music that is very popular amongst peers of the genre? Are you referring to the fact that he is probably making a comfortable living from his musical pursuits? I'm well aware of the connotation that accompanies the term 'selling out' and i have to say, the thought of Sonny Moore and his exploits over the last few years doesn't really fit the bill.
production wise if you look at his previous electronic productions, vs since hooking up with deadmau5, to me it seems like he got taken under deadmau5's wing and with both their fames combined their cashing in on the mainstream market, but hardly what i would call popular amongst his peers, hence the term flavor of the month
Secondly, if the well constructed bass chops that have been striking listeners of Skrillex since his emergence are so easy to replicate, and if you're really the producer that your 12,000 posts and righteous swagger boasts, then you should have no problem posting an example of you doing just that. Go on. Prove it.
personally i'm more worried about creating my own sound than emulating and recreating others, but i think anyone on here with a good grasp at synthesis and signal processing will tell you none of those sounds are extremely unique or hard to make
Furthermore if this sound is really as generic as you say it is, you should have even less trouble posting an example of this exact sound occurring in another artist's track.
see above and as much as i would love to prove it i'm actually on a deadline atm for working on a beat for a mtv pop act
We all know you are under no obligation to do either of these, and im sure nobody (incl. myself) will respect you any less if you do neither, but assuming you are going to reply to this (with or without examples), im expecting a half-ass sound that does NOT sound just like that sweet skrillex sound and maybe even a comment about where one would go from there to achieve the skrillex sound (to help cover the fact that yours was inadequate). Im expecting a track example with some other vocal/formant synthesis (and if you're good some clever waveshaping) that won't quite measure up to the heavy earlicking synth that has us all intrigued/inspired (surely you know the one...), and then maybe some potentially well worded but ultimately fallible explanation of how similar the two sounds are. Im expecting a bit of sarcasm.
anyone who is that concerned with recreating someone's exact sound to a t and not about their own development as an artist has issues, and honestly i'm sure i could if i sat down and got uber anal about it, but that's not my thing, plus not the biggest fan of that side of dubstep to begin with
Im not expecting to be surprised, but so help me god if you can shut me down i will humbly apologise for my arrogance and cease to question your knowledge and expertise. Is just that your remark to all us fuckin idiots; 'also learn when to use the word hater you fuckin idiots, and learn what it means
dislike does not equal hater, jealousy does' has got me thinking.
Im not a government sponsored psychologist, but my profiling puts you in the 'jealous' box...
believe me if i was bashing about that style of dubstep and actually actively promoting myself and shopping tunes about on the reg, you might be right, but i make music for myself and am very anal about what i put online and share as i have no real desire to be some "big name" in any genre. i just enjoy making music, playing music, and chatting production. at the end of the day any financial gain (:lol:) i make or recognition is whatever to me, i just hate when people think you're a "hater" when you offer a differing opinion or criticism.
That's pretty legit man, fair call. When you put it that way, i can understand your sense of urgency with regard to preventing said clutter. My bad mate, but at the same time, i believe such frequent repetition is a result of 'knowledgable' contributors such as yourself posting semi-accurate yet very vague and often ambiguous replies. Although without a doubt there is some extremely valuable information inside that thread, it's lack of explicit detail is food for amateurs to keep asking, ergo our problem.when there is a giant sticky up top which recently changed title to midrange bass and originally was datsik excision bass look here, it's just pure laziness and adds to the clutter for people who actually do use the search function and read the stickies
Your association of Skrillex with Borgore has lead me to believe that you are either;i never called him an untalented producer, i'm just saying personally i don't get it. i've even said in other threads more power to him for cashing in on his previous music fame and riding that wave, i just a.) see it as simply cashing in on dubstep with no real roots or contribution to the music or scene b.) when i first heard his music it sounded like borgore with more change ups with some fidget and progressive added on top, to me generic dancefloor fodder, which has a short shelf life
Not sure if you were aware of this, but fame is not exactly a key element of intelligent design xDproduction wise if you look at his previous electronic productions, vs since hooking up with deadmau5, to me it seems like he got taken under deadmau5's wing and with both their fames combined their cashing in on the mainstream market, but hardly what i would call popular amongst his peers, hence the term flavor of the month
haha, correction: ANYONE on here could tell me none of those sounds are extremely unique or hard to make. Im not trying to sell them as the most difficult synths out there, im just trying to prove a point. And i guess your just okay with that... Fair enough mate, focusing on your own sound is definately a sound course of action as opposed to mimicing established producers, but what you don't seem to understand is just how beneficial a concise explanation of a certain sound can be in terms of personal development. I wouldn't have gotten anywhere were it not for great advice from really talented bloggers. Totally called you not producing the goods though xDpersonally i'm more worried about creating my own sound than emulating and recreating others, but i think anyone on here with a good grasp at synthesis and signal processing will tell you none of those sounds are extremely unique or hard to make
hahahahahaha issues? shit man if some player wants to chill on his macbook and pretend he's Skrillex, or invite his friends round and show them his cool Excision sound, that's his business xD said player may not even be that interested in music production, there's a lot of free software out there you know, maybe he was just curious. You think this means he's got issues xD and honestly? you're sure you could? how do you know what happens when you get uber anal have you done that before, if so what happened? :O Like i said, knew you were gonna drop, son.anyone who is that concerned with recreating someone's exact sound to a t and not about their own development as an artist has issues, and honestly i'm sure i could if i sat down and got uber anal about it, but that's not my thing, plus not the biggest fan of that side of dubstep to begin with
Fair enough mate, can't argue too much with that. Music is a source, and i respect that you say you're about the music, i hope you mean it...believe me if i was bashing about that style of dubstep and actually actively promoting myself and shopping tunes about on the reg, you might be right, but i make music for myself and am very anal about what i put online and share as i have no real desire to be some "big name" in any genre. i just enjoy making music, playing music, and chatting production. at the end of the day any financial gain (:lol:) i make or recognition is whatever to me, i just hate when people think you're a "hater" when you offer a differing opinion or criticism.
you act like post count means a damn thing, it just means i speak whats on my mind no matter how retarded, waste time on my computer, multitask and don't need an alias or some guise to air my opinions or criticisms, which you feel the need to. since you're all about calling me out and all my info is avail online and music how bout you post up yours? hell i'll even put up my cell number if you feel you can call up and have a halfway decent conversationmtedens_disciple wrote:I kid you not sir, i am new to posting on this forum.
That's pretty legit man, fair call. When you put it that way, i can understand your sense of urgency with regard to preventing said clutter. My bad mate, but at the same time, i believe such frequent repetition is a result of 'knowledgable' contributors such as yourself posting semi-accurate yet very vague and often ambiguous replies. Although without a doubt there is some extremely valuable information inside that thread, it's lack of explicit detail is food for amateurs to keep asking, ergo our problem.when there is a giant sticky up top which recently changed title to midrange bass and originally was datsik excision bass look here, it's just pure laziness and adds to the clutter for people who actually do use the search function and read the stickies
if you lurked so much you'd know that most questions if they haven't been answered before or recently are helpful, when you just post a question without looking first you get the dick treatment just like any other board or in real life. lack of explicit detail is a given, especially when it comes to production and people asking how do i sound like producer xyz or this exact sound. you don't learn shit when you're handed the answer upfront or just a preset from someone else experimenting. i think you'll agree the whole point of production knowledge is to expand your personal arsenal and to get out what you hear in your own head, not recreate what someone else heard in theirs.Your association of Skrillex with Borgore has lead me to believe that you are either;i never called him an untalented producer, i'm just saying personally i don't get it. i've even said in other threads more power to him for cashing in on his previous music fame and riding that wave, i just a.) see it as simply cashing in on dubstep with no real roots or contribution to the music or scene b.) when i first heard his music it sounded like borgore with more change ups with some fidget and progressive added on top, to me generic dancefloor fodder, which has a short shelf life
a) in posession of some SHOCKING monitors/headphones, or some stock computer speakers
b) musically inept, incapable of distinguishing well mixed (and mastered for that matter) music from still definately ravey/grimey yet far inferior music (in terms of both quality and musical creativity)
c) tonedeaf.
subjective seriously this guy has some well produced bits, but he's nowhere near the messiah you're making it out to be
What is 'cashing in on dubstep'? Have you noticed how often you talk about fame and money? O_o
sorry if i'm protective of a genre i like and when people who haven't been involved in it ride the scenester and popularity wave in it's irritating
ie: in my local scene same people who used to talk shit about dubstep say back in 05-06 now "love" it since it rose in popularity just like they did with dnb, just like... ad nauseumNot sure if you were aware of this, but fame is not exactly a key element of intelligent design xDproduction wise if you look at his previous electronic productions, vs since hooking up with deadmau5, to me it seems like he got taken under deadmau5's wing and with both their fames combined their cashing in on the mainstream market, but hardly what i would call popular amongst his peers, hence the term flavor of the month
Not sure if you were aware of this, but deadmau5 is not exactly a 'good dubstep producer' yet unless you've not heard his attempts...
never said he was, but anyone just trying to learn their production chops from within one genre ain't going very far. being under any established artists wing who is knowledgeable will up your game and skill set
Not sure if you were aware of this, but 'peers' is loosely defined as 'people around your age who are aware of your existence', that being said...
i would just about say that anyone listening to Skrillex could be counted as a peer, but if that still doesn't sit right with you we can forget i used the word peers and use for example 'listeners' instead. Whatever you need to change it to to comprehend the more important matters of this discussion, and so,
i'm a generation older than the majority of these "peers", yet most of them are invested in the scene they play and as far as listeners as peers, call it music snobbery, but anyone who gets their genre knowledge from youtube and pirates the majority of their music, yet considers themselves fans...
Not sure if you were aware of this, but up until about a week ago, 8 out of the top 10 tracks on beatport were produced by none other.
Definately considered it, but surely i don't need to define popular for you too? Ah well if so you preach a bit about google you can hit that up :p
charts do not equal quality, hell that's one of my old dnb tunes the day it came out and it was generic dancefloor bs i wouldn't touch nowadays
give it a couple months and see if people are still rocking those tuneshaha, correction: ANYONE on here could tell me none of those sounds are extremely unique or hard to make. Im not trying to sell them as the most difficult synths out there, im just trying to prove a point. And i guess your just okay with that... Fair enough mate, focusing on your own sound is definately a sound course of action as opposed to mimicing established producers, but what you don't seem to understand is just how beneficial a concise explanation of a certain sound can be in terms of personal development. I wouldn't have gotten anywhere were it not for great advice from really talented bloggers. Totally called you not producing the goods though xDpersonally i'm more worried about creating my own sound than emulating and recreating others, but i think anyone on here with a good grasp at synthesis and signal processing will tell you none of those sounds are extremely unique or hard to make
when i have some free time after i finish up the current prokects i have on my plate i will if it will shut you up. and if i can't come close i have no issue saying i can'thahahahahaha issues? shit man if some player wants to chill on his macbook and pretend he's Skrillex, or invite his friends round and show them his cool Excision sound, that's his business xD said player may not even be that interested in music production, there's a lot of free software out there you know, maybe he was just curious. You think this means he's got issues xD and honestly? you're sure you could? how do you know what happens when you get uber anal have you done that before, if so what happened? :O Like i said, knew you were gonna drop, son.anyone who is that concerned with recreating someone's exact sound to a t and not about their own development as an artist has issues, and honestly i'm sure i could if i sat down and got uber anal about it, but that's not my thing, plus not the biggest fan of that side of dubstep to begin with
Fair enough mate, can't argue too much with that. Music is a source, and i respect that you say you're about the music, i hope you mean it...believe me if i was bashing about that style of dubstep and actually actively promoting myself and shopping tunes about on the reg, you might be right, but i make music for myself and am very anal about what i put online and share as i have no real desire to be some "big name" in any genre. i just enjoy making music, playing music, and chatting production. at the end of the day any financial gain (:lol:) i make or recognition is whatever to me, i just hate when people think you're a "hater" when you offer a differing opinion or criticism.
But come on dude, you go on about how generic his shit is and how it's not that hard to replicate and how he's a sellout, et cetera and then when some mysterious stranger with <0.0001% of your posts calls you out... Well you sure backed yourself up xDDD
-[2]DAY_- wrote: you haven't previously sought out dubstep, dub, reggae, garage, dnb or jungle at all for the past half-decade or so, cause you were too busy jumping up to Jon Peters at Pacha, or listening to Timbaland or It Dies Today or some shit with your Final Fantasy hairdo and skinny jeans.
i'd say the fair weather fans, bandwagon jumpers, and scenesters sum it up-[2]DAY_- wrote:I apologize in advance for continuing this thread....
But is this seriously a username? MtEdens Disciple?
also IMHO cashing in on dubstep is when you notice this style of EDM has the hip-hop swag previously lacking in synth&bass heavy electronica, noticing it may actually gain the momentum to cross over, as we've seen these past couple years..... and therefore deciding to channel your EDM efforts toward half-time wubby jumpup, even though
you haven't previously sought out dubstep, dub, reggae, garage, dnb or jungle at all for the past half-decade or so, cause you were too busy jumping up to Jon Peters at Pacha, or listening to Timbaland or It Dies Today or some shit with your Final Fantasy hairdo and skinny jeans.
so you lace up some kick n snare, sync your LFO and drop wobbles to impress whichever sorry punters you can manage to harness into your own movement?
I could be wrong. It's all good though, tbh I don't fall too far from the mark of this description
deadly habit wrote:i'm a generation older than the majority of these "peers", yet most of them are invested in the scene they play and as far as listeners as peers, call it music snobbery, but anyone who gets their genre knowledge from youtube and pirates the majority of their music, yet considers themselves fans...
This. I love that my friends all know about dubstep. Seriously. Whether their tastes match mine is one thing, but shit... at least we're sort of on the same page. More than I can say from the past few years.rob13572468 wrote: Nevertheless dubstep is becoming quite popular and the fact that its happeneing at the same time as the electronica resurgence is going to bring alot of crossover appeal particularly with kids that really wouldnt have ventured into *any* of these genres.. Whether that ends up being good or bad remains to be seen but I tend to feel that any trend that gets people listening to dub is probably more good than bad.
Agree with this (though I'm not yet 22...)rob13572468 wrote:Also keep in mind that this kid is only 22 years old. He has done some impressive production/arrangement work for someone so young ( I know I was not anywhere near that talented at that age).
Don't really agree with this though, considering the development of his music over the last six years.rob13572468 wrote:Give him a few years to mature and we might see some really good music come out of him...
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You're welcome.
1st thing you said. I love how all the lazy people just spam away on "how to make this sound"LordBid wrote:Man if you have to ask I guarantee you can't make it. Its so obvious its a processed reece with some serious growl. I suggest you learn more about your synths and what they can do and go watch some reece processing videos on youtube there are a lot. a while from now you'll look back at this question and see how silly it is. plus might I add doesm't skrillex's music sound like borderline emo-hardcore shit? I heard thats what he did before dubstep and it totally sounds like it but in a dubstep format. plus the fact that hes on deadmau5s label irks me I hate that talentless homophobe.. anybody can make fucking progressive house better than that.
doesn't mean I wouldnt drop a skrillex tune, scary monsters is an excellent track.
I mean afterall hes talentless and anybody can make fucking professive house better than that. It's your opinion kid, should really keep childish comments like that to yourself LordBid wrote:Man if you have to ask I guarantee you can't make it. Its so obvious its a processed reece with some serious growl. I suggest you learn more about your synths and what they can do and go watch some reece processing videos on youtube there are a lot. a while from now you'll look back at this question and see how silly it is. plus might I add doesm't skrillex's music sound like borderline emo-hardcore shit? I heard thats what he did before dubstep and it totally sounds like it but in a dubstep format. plus the fact that hes on deadmau5s label irks me I hate that talentless homophobe.. anybody can make fucking progressive house better than that.
doesn't mean I wouldnt drop a skrillex tune, scary monsters is an excellent track.
