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interesting

If you're creative and capabale of making things, always seems a better choice to invest in tools or ingredients. Can't see much reason to actively keep buying other peoples stuff, can become distracting

A lot of people that take pride in buying shit tend to do it just to play out anyway. Seems the inverted situation of "free exposure" is never considered. Piracy is solely about diluting the dosh innit? Plus it's silly that DJs use other peoples' stuff to get cheers for themselves

Third point... Always a fan of performers that generate music on the fly, instantly solve 'piracy' issues because they themselves are the point of sale

Unless you mean the more tnuc-tactics side of piracy, i.e. stealing and re selling, that kinda shite

In summary though, better to use dosh to make events or experiences than to gain 'posessions'

Also inb4 "WOULD YOU STEAL A CAR"
Teenage joyrider 4 lyfe

deadly habit wrote:

butt jolokia wrote:

deadly habit wrote:

butt jolokia wrote:

nicenice wrote:thing is, if people really wanted to make music. they would do it regardless of money and piracy. that's where the best music comes from anyway

time (which is money) and money go into creating intellectual property. do you know the cost of movie production? profits are needed to live on and finance more projects.

movie production doesn't "need" to cost anything near what they cost as is, especially when you see low budget flicks shit all over big name actor cgi wank fests
i'm sorry but the complete distortion of the salaries some of these people demand is just as ridiculous as sports athletes

Maybe you should get a job in the film industry as a Budget Planner. Really. Go and clean things up for them.

i'm as qualified for that as you would be as having to do with politics, but if you think that they deserve the salaries they get vs someone doing something worthwhile and not entertainment for the world more power to you

you're comparing apples and baseball bats.

not even close.

fractal wrote:interesting

also take a look at the offsets of corporate sponsorship and branding in entertainment
games are even getting ridiculous with this
in the US you pay monthly for cable tv, yet have to sit through advertisements every 10 minutes and on top of that say if you want one of the channels with no commercials and the more popular shows (hbo, showtime) you have to pay a further premium
hell even dvd players for the most part are region coded so even if i do want to watch a foreign film and import it it won't play
i just find the movie/television industry to be more concerned about making money and protecting dead mediums and ideals than trying to adapt and turn a profit and please their base

It's really just this simple guys:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/piracy

Definition of PIRACY

1 : an act of robbery on the high seas; also : an act resembling such robbery

2 : robbery on the high seas

3 a : the unauthorized use of another's production, invention, or conception especially in infringement of a copyright
b : the illicit accessing of broadcast signals

well if you want to get it's that simple, read the fine print on most cds and vinyl regarding copyright, and djs are breaking the law in the open!

DRTY wrote:I'd never accept an unreleased track from friends/contacts through AIM etc as I think it's a cuntish thing to do.

why? not a stab i just dont think i understand what your sayin

DRTY wrote: an MP3/WAV costs about the same as a bottle of Coke.

and an album costs about the same as 10 bottles of Coke?

crackf wrote:

DRTY wrote:I'd never accept an unreleased track from friends/contacts through AIM etc as I think it's a cuntish thing to do.

why? not a stab i just dont think i understand what your sayin

Well because I always want unreleased stuff to play out, but if I take it and I'm not supposed to have it then I'm contributing to the reason alot of artists don't hand out their music anyway!

If someone gives me a track, then I'll respect their work and not give it out, just seems like common courtesy.

crackf wrote:

DRTY wrote: an MP3/WAV costs about the same as a bottle of Coke.

and an album costs about the same as 10 bottles of Coke?

Ok true lol. I was thinking more along the lines of single tracks.

DRTY wrote:

crackf wrote:

DRTY wrote:I'd never accept an unreleased track from friends/contacts through AIM etc as I think it's a cuntish thing to do.

why? not a stab i just dont think i understand what your sayin

Well because I always want unreleased stuff to play out, but if I take it and I'm not supposed to have it then I'm contributing to the reason alot of artists don't hand out their music anyway!

If someone gives me a track, then I'll respect their work and not give it out, just seems like common courtesy.

crackf wrote:

DRTY wrote: an MP3/WAV costs about the same as a bottle of Coke.

and an album costs about the same as 10 bottles of Coke?

Ok true lol. I was thinking more along the lines of single tracks.

albums don't cost near as much as their hard copy brethren though
you're getting the price difference from mass copied cd-rs (which we all know how much a spindle costs even consumer wise)
and mass printed booklets or artwork
fair trade off i think

deadly habit wrote:well if you want to get it's that simple, read the fine print on most cds and vinyl regarding copyright, and djs are breaking the law in the open!

I was in the radio industry for a bit. We had to pay for a license, which gave us rights to play the music. It had always been "implied" that other forms of broadcasting (mobile jock, juke box, bedroom DJ, etc) had the rights to play the music because the person purchased the music. After the labels got beat down through mass-piracy, and profits were lost, the RIAA decided to combat the loss by seeking profits in untraditional ways. That meant tightening the broadcast area, and trying to reverse the pressure. There are an assortment of broadcasting licenses you can purchase, so there's still no excuse.

butt jolokia wrote:

deadly habit wrote:well if you want to get it's that simple, read the fine print on most cds and vinyl regarding copyright, and djs are breaking the law in the open!

I was in the radio industry for a bit. We had to pay for a license, which gave us rights to play the music. It had always been "implied" that other forms of broadcasting (mobile jock, juke box, bedroom DJ, etc) had the rights to play the music because the person purchased the music. After the labels got beat down through mass-piracy, and profits were lost, the RIAA decided to combat the loss by seeking profits in untraditional ways. That meant tightening the broadcast area, and trying to reverse the pressure. There are an assortment of broadcasting licenses you can purchase, so there's still no excuse.

"implied" doesn't mean it's legal which you seem to want to talk in matters of certainty about

hell lets take it one step further, i release a song and do everything the right way regarding copyrights, registering with bmi, prs etc
johnny bedroom dj plays it out in a club or in a mass distibuted internet format (mix download, internet radio etc)
my copyright is being infringed unless i'm seeing my royalties from johnny, the club, or the station be the case
when you purchase a recording you are in essence renting the copyright for private listening unless you have a broadcasting license, performance license, or other royalty agrrement
it's that "simple"

what if johnny isn't getting paid?

fractal wrote:what if johnny isn't getting paid?

it's a public performance
makes no difference
not saying it's right, but we're talking in bass hertz matters of plain and simple where there is no grey area

royalties can not be given if no money is made, pretty simple law. it's what lets us cut white labels

fractal wrote:royalties can not be given if no money is made, pretty simple law. it's what lets us cut white labels

varies country by country
white labels exist in a very gray legal area which is why if it's public knowledge who the remixer is or label pressing it, actions can be taken
take chase and status - eastern jam (trillbass remix) bootleg/white that got shut down
white labels just provide a blanket denial of responsibility or trail as to who to pursue legally

ok, well you keep stealing some stuff, but being against stealing other stuff. we all live by our own morals and that's fine...

just watch out for low budget, independent films

deadly habit wrote:

fractal wrote:what if johnny isn't getting paid?

it's a public performance
makes no difference
not saying it's right, but we're talking in bass hertz matters of plain and simple where there is no grey area

there is no law against you buying a movie and inviting your friends to come over and watch.

there ARE laws against you charge admission.

fractal wrote:ok, well you keep stealing some stuff, but being against stealing other stuff. we all live by our own morals and that's fine...

just watch out for low budget, independent films

i do
i see things in shades of grey
when they revise their practices to something more reasonable and less defensive and greedy they can have my business back

butt jolokia wrote:

deadly habit wrote:

fractal wrote:what if johnny isn't getting paid?

it's a public performance
makes no difference
not saying it's right, but we're talking in bass hertz matters of plain and simple where there is no grey area

there is no law against you buying a movie and inviting your friends to come over and watch.

there ARE laws against you charge admission.

music vs movies is like apples vs baseball bats

also by your logic streaming a movie is legal, which it's not