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i think as a trend it's simply gonna die off.

qwaycee_ wrote:i think as a trend it's simply gonna die off.

LOL Sure someone’s said that about every genre in existance at some point LOL (jazz, rap, dnb, dubstep, rock, etc...) Althought, bth it’s probably true this time...

ketamine wrote:

qwaycee_ wrote:i think as a trend it's simply gonna die off.

LOL Sure someone’s said that about every genre in existance at some point LOL (jazz, rap, dnb, dubstep, rock, etc...) Althought, bth it’s probably true this time...

Yeah it's just a trend... (sarcasm)

Juke has been around for 20 years already...

It may be a trend to you, but it's the local music scene (for ages) for others, know your history and give the music and the people behind the (real) scene the respect they deserve.

contakt321 wrote:

ketamine wrote:

qwaycee_ wrote:i think as a trend it's simply gonna die off.

LOL Sure someone’s said that about every genre in existance at some point LOL (jazz, rap, dnb, dubstep, rock, etc...) Althought, bth it’s probably true this time...

Yeah it's just a trend... (sarcasm)

Juke has been around for 20 years already...

It may be a trend to you, but it's the local music scene (for ages) for others, know your history and give the music and the people behind the (real) scene the respect they deserve.

It wasn’t meant as disrespect. Geez. I’m originally from Baltimore, and Juke is basically fast Baltimore Club. And Baltimore Club is a bastard child of Chicago house in the first place. Its all intertwined. I know the history. Lighten up. Many underground genre’s languish as local sounds for years and years, suddenly get noticed, blow up, and then fade back to “obscurity” (from the public’s perspective), but not really, just go back to being local.

I was just saying some of the longest lasting “sounds” that people thought were going to be a trend at some point in history have turned out to be permanent, but I don’t think Juke will. That’s all.

yall fail at reading comprehension

it's fairly obvious what i was talking about. perhaps you folks are too defensive over genres to see it.

when i say trend, i am obviously referring to this recent resurgence of juke via dubstep....the original vibe, or as you people referred to it, "the (real) scene ", has been there for a couple decades and will continue to be there, but this this bandwagon jumping that people are doing in 2010 is a trend. simple.

you ppl couldn't comprehend that?

this forum is jokes

qwaycee_ wrote: yall fail at reading comprehension

it's fairly obvious what i was talking about. perhaps you folks are too defensive over genres to see it.

when i say trend, i am obviously referring to this recent resurgence of juke via dubstep....the original vibe, or as you people referred to it, "the (real) scene ", has been there for a couple decades and will continue to be there, but this this bandwagon jumping that people are doing in 2010 is a trend. simple.

you ppl couldn't comprehend that?

this forum is jokes

It's pretty easy to comprehend when you explain it like that but you make one little statement like you did earlier of course it's going to be open to interpretation. We can't read your mind.

qwaycee_ wrote: yall fail at reading comprehension

it's fairly obvious what i was talking about. perhaps you folks are too defensive over genres to see it.

when i say trend, i am obviously referring to this recent resurgence of juke via dubstep....the original vibe, or as you people referred to it, "the (real) scene ", has been there for a couple decades and will continue to be there, but this this bandwagon jumping that people are doing in 2010 is a trend. simple.

you ppl couldn't comprehend that?

this forum is jokes

i understood.. he said AS A TREND.. not IT IS A TREND (THAT IS GONNA DIE OUT)

considering the ghetto type posts quace puts in the Whathaveubeenlistenintolately thread, he knows about juke and gets the point.. im sure

changin subjects...
ive been listenin to a lot of techy stuff since the last 1 and a half year and i must say that the booty-esque ghettotech influence has been everywhere in deep electronic music for a while now... (not that it was not always around, think SMD).. but the whole Dirty Bird crew and others are really on that tip...

i dont think those things are completely gonna die out and noone here said that... i still find it important to state the follwoing point : think.. bmore (unintentional joke) for instance... while it was the trend a couple years ago amongst a certain part of the electronic beatmaking population... and altho it went to a point of ''okayimfedupwiththatdumbeddownwooo-heh-shit''-ism, it kinda mingled with what was present at the time and it left a mark in our music that i still hear today... its classic material now.

so to me its a great thing that those genres come around the corner again, a very few people in my entourage know about juke except from my brother, i and a ghettoass freind of ours from oakland... i wish more people knew about it... club dancing would get serious ... ahahaha

must i add, im utmostly happy to realize that some of u mofos cherish juke... its just great

i DO NOT want to start a ''this is not juke'' debate,PLEASE.But anyone wants to post a couple of recent releases that display juke influences according to them?

Ketamine and Qwaycee_ - I see where you are coming from now that you have clarified, and I am glad to know you both do know your music. My comment wasn't directed at you two personally, but in general.

The amount of NON-Midwest people talking about Juke and Footwoork is at an all-time high - surely everyone who has been into this sound for ages should be happy right? I am not, a lot of people aren't. So many people talking about or making "juke" tracks have no clue what it is, how to dj it, or what the track should sound like.

It's NOT just a 160 bpm song w/ really fast tom rolls
It's NOT just a song w/ random rap vocals over it saying the same thing over and over
It's NOT music djs should be playing 3+ minutes of a song or doing long blends with

It would be one thing if people were excited about the music and either 1. playing/making it authentically or 2. combining it with their own sound, and making some amazing new music that doesn't quite fit any genre (like Addison Groove, Ramadanman, etc). Unfortunately, most people don't get it. It seems clear that many people are into this for the "trend" factor or because everyone is talking about it. I recently heard someone play "juke" at a club, and played 0 Chicago tracks, instead all "juke" from people who probably all discovered it 3 months ago and made some garbage, played the full songs with long blends, and it couldn't have been any worse.

Imagine doing to a dubstep show where the dj talked about how into dubstep he was, but didn't know Mala, and played nothing but Mt. Eden and shit youtube remixes all night - it would be sad and almost offensive, right?

contakt321 wrote:Ketamine and Qwaycee_ - I see where you are coming from now that you have clarified, and I am glad to know you both do know your music. My comment wasn't directed at you two personally, but in general.

The amount of NON-Midwest people talking about Juke and Footwoork is at an all-time high - surely everyone who has been into this sound for ages should be happy right? I am not, a lot of people aren't. So many people talking about or making "juke" tracks have no clue what it is, how to dj it, or what the track should sound like.

It's NOT just a 160 bpm song w/ really fast tom rolls
It's NOT just a song w/ random rap vocals over it saying the same thing over and over
It's NOT music djs should be playing 3+ minutes of a song or doing long blends with

It would be one thing if people were excited about the music and either 1. playing/making it authentically or 2. combining it with their own sound, and making some amazing new music that doesn't quite fit any genre (like Addison Groove, Ramadanman, etc). Unfortunately, most people don't get it. It seems clear that many people are into this for the "trend" factor or because everyone is talking about it. I recently heard someone play "juke" at a club, and played 0 Chicago tracks, instead all "juke" from people who probably all discovered it 3 months ago and made some garbage, played the full songs with long blends, and it couldn't have been any worse.

Imagine doing to a dubstep show where the dj talked about how into dubstep he was, but didn't know Mala, and played nothing but Mt. Eden and shit youtube remixes all night - it would be sad and almost offensive, right?

id cry. and probably leave.

Cry? What a woman. I'd kickbox everyone in the face and then cut the mains with teeth.

I can see where Contakt is coming from - I feel the same about dubstep in a way (and i'm sure loads of others do, too).

Myself, personally wasn't very aware of juke/chicago house or w/e its called until all the footcrab / Addison Groove Fact Mix buzz happened... I researched, found the roots, love the sound, appreciate it for what it is.. I may use a few more 808s in my tunes (mainly cause I got tapebaby, though) but I am not drawing for the trend hat!

Call me a hipster cigarette or whatever but I am glad I found out about the sound .

contakt321 wrote:Imagine doing to a dubstep show where the dj talked about how into dubstep he was, but didn't know Mala, and played nothing but Mt. Eden and shit youtube remixes all night - it would be sad and almost offensive, right?

Nah I'd call that "A standard dubstep night in the States ca.2010" I don't want to have to paint in broad strokes like this and I wish it wasn't true, but all across the states--sad to say its the case, more often than not.

Sharmaji wrote:

contakt321 wrote:Imagine doing to a dubstep show where the dj talked about how into dubstep he was, but didn't know Mala, and played nothing but Mt. Eden and shit youtube remixes all night - it would be sad and almost offensive, right?

Nah I'd call that "A standard dubstep night in the States ca.2010" I don't want to have to paint in broad strokes like this and I wish it wasn't true, but all across the states--sad to say its the case, more often than not.

And London.

Sharmaji wrote:

contakt321 wrote:Imagine doing to a dubstep show where the dj talked about how into dubstep he was, but didn't know Mala, and played nothing but Mt. Eden and shit youtube remixes all night - it would be sad and almost offensive, right?

Nah I'd call that "A standard dubstep night in the States ca.2010" I don't want to have to paint in broad strokes like this and I wish it wasn't true, but all across the states--sad to say its the case, more often than not.

I am not nearly as traveled as you but that is perfectly believable to me. It is that way in Pittsburgh. The dj's here don't even pretend to know/appreciate the history, they don't like the old stuff at all.. or the "chill" stuff because it's chill/downtempo if it doesn't have huge annoying midrange basslines, risers, kick drum rolls and of course the snare on the 3

legend4ry wrote:I can see where Contakt is coming from - I feel the same about dubstep in a way (and i'm sure loads of others do, too).

Myself, personally wasn't very aware of juke/chicago house or w/e its called until all the footcrab / Addison Groove Fact Mix buzz happened... I researched, found the roots, love the sound, appreciate it for what it is.. I may use a few more 808s in my tunes (mainly cause I got tapebaby, though) but I am not drawing for the trend hat!

Call me a hipster cigarette or whatever but I am glad I found out about the sound .

If you haven't already, go check out some mixes because the beats themselves don't tell the whole picture. I know this has been covered a few times already but seriously. These guys will drop house, hiphop, dnb, everything in the mix. I'd say it's more about the djing and dance than the actual records. When I was up there 10 years ago the popular thing was dropping Dance Mania records sped up.

ive always tought that its OUR (musicians) task to make sure people get the foundations of what we cherish. my biggest influence in that sense is bambaata. the man couldve been all about secrecy and restrictiveness but he just pushed it so much, so anyone could understand what the thing was about... he saw globalization lightyears ahead and hustled hard so the movement he instigated became so strong.. (i do not want to start a ''rap is dead'' thread.. it is well healthy in my opinion)...

some things are just inevitable and beautiful music never dies if u feel its beautiful, but u def can make the whole thing grow by helping people to realize what its about

just a little thought

Ldizzy wrote:ive always tought that its OUR (musicians) task to make sure people get the foundations of what we cherish. my biggest influence in that sense is bambaata. the man couldve been all about secrecy and restrictiveness but he just pushed it so much, so anyone could understand what the thing was about... he saw globalization lightyears ahead and hustled hard so the movement he instigated became so strong.. (i do not want to start a ''rap is dead'' thread.. it is well healthy in my opinion)...

some things are just inevitable and beautiful music never dies if u feel its beautiful, but u def can make the whole thing grow by helping people to realize what its about

just a little thought

i agree in order to have a successful future we need to understand the past. cliche but true and especially in this case. people who just don't care about the past and think they are the future are wastes whose music has no staying power. Those that don't respect/know where they came from will be forgotten.

^ can i get an Amen

abZ wrote:

Sharmaji wrote:

contakt321 wrote:Imagine doing to a dubstep show where the dj talked about how into dubstep he was, but didn't know Mala, and played nothing but Mt. Eden and shit youtube remixes all night - it would be sad and almost offensive, right?

Nah I'd call that "A standard dubstep night in the States ca.2010" I don't want to have to paint in broad strokes like this and I wish it wasn't true, but all across the states--sad to say its the case, more often than not.

I am not nearly as traveled as you but that is perfectly believable to me. It is that way in Pittsburgh. The dj's here don't even pretend to know/appreciate the history, they don't like the old stuff at all.. or the "chill" stuff because it's chill/downtempo if it doesn't have huge annoying midrange basslines, risers, kick drum rolls and of course the snare on the 3

You know how much Id pay for a good night though? Know we arent the only ones in this corner of the state sick of the state of bro either.

montreal has one of the worst scenes.. wanna be dnb producers thinking they can get away by bashing on a keyboard with ugly ass samples wassup

i hope i get to play there someday