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therapist wrote:That wasn't done for fun though. It's not comparible.

it was done with the intention to harm the innocent, im not talking about snuff videos people make for the lols, im just talking about snuff films

there are izan ones which exist and kkk ones which exist (ones which i havent and do not plan to watch), these are probably created not just for fun, but for their extreme views

i feel it is very comparable, 9/11 wasnt done for any justifiable reason was it?

most people filming didnt stop when they saw everyone jumping out of those windows did they.

everything's justifiable depending on your perspective..

Badman Juice wrote:everything's justifiable depending on your perspective..

lol sorry forgot you were al quaida

Also, how about the execution videos of Daniel Pearl and Nick Berg? Both reported on the news and in articles on their websites, surely this is promoting these videos more than one guy on a shitty form?

I am sure a BBC News article will stir more curiosity than crackf making a thread on DSF. Are these people perverts, no, purely supplying information for people to take what they will.

svpreme wrote:

crackf wrote:
i like the use of the word skidmark but i dont like the way you assume everyone that watches a video like that will have some seedy grin on their face throughout, a little rude, unfair and stereotyping. i accept the fact that its pretty sick to have interest in videos like this, but i definately have no interest in killing someone, i wasnt the little kid who sat by an ant hill crushing all in my reach

I don't think that was his point, or at least not entirely...points of view like yours validate the actions of the people who produce these sorts of videos and give them more reason to do what they do.

Hell, just by talking about this shit you probably got a few people to check out the videos mentioned in this thread.

personally i dont think there's anything wrong with being curious or intrigued by these things

i think its perfectly normal for people to take both views in this case either complete revulsion and disgust with a total lack of desire to see, or in some way to feel a sort of arousal, or engagement with at least the idea of seeing something so morbid. i dont necesarily like it, but i dont think i'd hold it against anyone for exploring these things

i'd hope after that they'd have the reaction that Cracky did - i.e what they saw was a lot more horrible than their fantasy.

crackf wrote:

Badman Juice wrote:everything's justifiable depending on your perspective..

lol sorry forgot you were al quaida

assuming that because someone defends something automatically means they advocate it is a pretty simplistic view, but whatever. I don't understand people who are always convinced that they are right.

apmje wrote: Why not be black and white about it? No need in over complicating the situation. Humans aren't supposed to want to see this stuff? But humans are the one committing these atrocities...not a want to watch these, it's a curiosity (which has taken us full circle, yet again).

I just don't see how curiosity is justification. As you say it keeps coming back to that, but if (to use an extreme example) I killed someone because I was curious about what it felt like, does that make it any less bad?

And I say don't be so black and white about it because saying 'well I don't want to replicate it / fap over it' is a bit of a cop-out. Part of this argument is about those who casually watch these things despite not enjoying them, and that seems worth discussing.

apmje wrote:Unfortunately, some of the videos put on the internet are made for the sadistic pleasure and entertainment of a minority of perverts but just because you've watched a couple doesn't mean you should be lumped into that category just like that blahblah dude has.

I was under the impression that's what all of these videos are that we're talking about. Maybe we're on different wavelengths.

crackf wrote:

therapist wrote:That wasn't done for fun though. It's not comparible.

it was done with the intention to harm the innocent, im not talking about snuff videos people make for the lols, im just talking about snuff films

there are izan ones which exist and kkk ones which exist (ones which i havent and do not plan to watch), these are probably created not just for fun, but for their extreme views

i feel it is very comparable, 9/11 wasnt done for any justifiable reason was it?

I actually don't understand the difference here. I don't know if it's purely a sexual thing or actually funny, but I'd separate those as being made for someone's entertainment.

Footage of 9/11 or a hurricane/earthquake etc. I'd say is different to these videos made purely from someone's enjoyment- there's nothing to be found out by watching it surely.

Don't get me wrong I think it's still a huge grey area, I'm trying to decide on my own opinion here as much as convince anybody else.

if it's happening then it's better it's documented so future generations can smugly congratulate themselves on being less depraved and barbaric than their ancestors

Badman Juice wrote:

crackf wrote:

Badman Juice wrote:everything's justifiable depending on your perspective..

lol sorry forgot you were al quaida

assuming that because someone defends something automatically means they advocate it is a pretty simplistic view, but whatever. I don't understand people who are always convinced that they are right.

ye but we went on that al quaida march together...

I thought that was a Ninja convention.

I'm just not sure why people would continue to watch more if it was about curiosity?

also, in a less extreme relation

my mum watches jeremy kyle because it makes her feel alot better about her own life

maybe thats another reason, that might be some kind of elitism celebrating that you arent white trash, same way that im happy to be alive, and not being tortured.

the fact that you relive it through video, feeling empathy towards the victim (see how people watch films such as saw, i know its not real but they still enjoy watching idolisation of torture/death) , whilst in the comfort of your house, definately makes me appreciate being alive alot more.

crackf wrote:also, in a less extreme relation

my mum watches jeremy kyle because it makes her feel alot better about her own life

maybe thats another reason, that might be some kind of elitism celebrating that you arent white trash, same way that im happy to be alive, and not being tortured.

the fact that you relive it through video, feeling empathy towards the victim (see how people watch films such as saw, i know its not real but they still enjoy watching idolisation of torture/death) , whilst in the comfort of your house, definately makes me appreciate being alive alot more.

Not really, I've had a pretty good grasp on mortality for most my life. I don't see how being glad you're not In it helps either

Also when you're watching a movie it's completely different. It's not fucking real.

I mean it's the same as a videogame. I'm not gonna get upset running over an imaginary person the same way I would if I genuinely ruined someone's life by crippling them with my car. I mean enjoying watching pretend violence doesn't have a single real negative aspect. Watching a video of some guy get beheaded and then thinking about how he was a real guy and how his family might now be without him just doesn't feel good to me

therapist wrote:I just don't see how curiosity is justification. As you say it keeps coming back to that, but if (to use an extreme example) I killed someone because I was curious about what it felt like, does that make it any less bad?

i believe so yes, knowing other people would kill someone in the most inhumane way is alot better than knowing you yourself would kill someone in the most inhumane way

looooool me n joe spent like an hour one night reading all those morning glory comics

some of them,

lol they're jokes and a good example of how people find things funny or interesting if it's vaguely (or extremely) taboo.

also, things such as documented photos videos of jews in concentration camps, viewing those doesnt make you validate the natsees, alot of people are interested as to what the germans did, otherwise we wouldnt learn about it in school