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Posted: **Fri Apr 06, 2007 4:36 pm**

ozols man wrote:its all about bass with latino type rythms... remember u heard it here first

Have you been scoping my HD...?

Posted: **Fri Apr 06, 2007 4:39 pm**

dubstep to techno.

Posted: **Fri Apr 06, 2007 4:58 pm**

sapphic_beats wrote:
DeVille wrote:
jim wrote:But being from Bellevue does mean you're not from Detroit's ghettoes.
I hate myself for even contributing to this thread but surely it is Belleville, as in the 'Belleville Three'. I think using any concept of 'middle class' to describe a country that doesn't have a class system must be a bad idea. I know where you are coming from but I'm not a fan of generalisation, and also: it doesn't matter what 'class' they are. One of the best things about dubstep is that people from all 'classes', races and backgrounds exist happily and creatively together. rant over.
dV
uhhh...saying the US does not have a class system is definitely off the plot. you ever BEEN to detroit? seriously. the US is suffering from its biggest wage gap in history between the uber rich and the super poor. if you think that does not feed into a class system, then we are talking about some imaginary country where dubstep also cures cancer.

i know i am digressing, but i can't stand rose-colored glasses, yay-rah, music unites us all pap when the reality of life is so VERY VERY not so cumbayah.

and as far as class not being an issue with how the music sounds...well...again...one would have to know detroit to understand the utter despair that surrounds that city. there is definitely hope and great music and art being made, but if you think looking around at a skeletonized city didn't affect the music they made...*shrug*

ok, sorry for my little breakdown...back to topic...or are we?

addendum: for the record, i find conversations like this (about class and techno and music and how it affects the music) to be far more interesting than "ohmygosh this new record made my dog self-actualize!" or "how do i make the bass wobble left instead of right?". i mean, there is space for all, but i find philosophical/sociological/totally pretentious intellectual discussions fairly fascinating. if you feel the same, cool...we should chat. if you think i am a pretentious twat...well, that just can't be helped...

Just wanted to say, you completely misunderstood what I was saying, maybe this isn't the place for any of this. I was taking issue with tying music to class and I think that a 'class' system in the US is problematic because it is mainly financially based. I do understand Detroit and the conditions which surrounded techno at all of its stages. If you don't believe that music has the power to unite people then I think that is very sad, not in some kind of flower power bullshit kind of way either. If you don't think music can cross/unite/mutate countries, cultures and 'classes' then you are missing out.

Posted: **Fri Apr 06, 2007 5:01 pm**

Vonboyage wrote:
ozols man wrote:its all about bass with latino type rythms... remember u heard it here first
Have you been scoping my HD...?

lol

great minds think alike

Posted: **Fri Apr 06, 2007 5:41 pm**

DeVille wrote:
sapphic_beats wrote:
DeVille wrote:
jim wrote:But being from Bellevue does mean you're not from Detroit's ghettoes.
I hate myself for even contributing to this thread but surely it is Belleville, as in the 'Belleville Three'. I think using any concept of 'middle class' to describe a country that doesn't have a class system must be a bad idea. I know where you are coming from but I'm not a fan of generalisation, and also: it doesn't matter what 'class' they are. One of the best things about dubstep is that people from all 'classes', races and backgrounds exist happily and creatively together. rant over.
dV
uhhh...saying the US does not have a class system is definitely off the plot. you ever BEEN to detroit? seriously. the US is suffering from its biggest wage gap in history between the uber rich and the super poor. if you think that does not feed into a class system, then we are talking about some imaginary country where dubstep also cures cancer.

i know i am digressing, but i can't stand rose-colored glasses, yay-rah, music unites us all pap when the reality of life is so VERY VERY not so cumbayah.

and as far as class not being an issue with how the music sounds...well...again...one would have to know detroit to understand the utter despair that surrounds that city. there is definitely hope and great music and art being made, but if you think looking around at a skeletonized city didn't affect the music they made...*shrug*

ok, sorry for my little breakdown...back to topic...or are we?

addendum: for the record, i find conversations like this (about class and techno and music and how it affects the music) to be far more interesting than "ohmygosh this new record made my dog self-actualize!" or "how do i make the bass wobble left instead of right?". i mean, there is space for all, but i find philosophical/sociological/totally pretentious intellectual discussions fairly fascinating. if you feel the same, cool...we should chat. if you think i am a pretentious twat...well, that just can't be helped...
Just wanted to say, you completely misunderstood what I was saying, maybe this isn't the place for any of this. I was taking issue with tying music to class and I think that a 'class' system in the US is problematic because it is mainly financially based. I do understand Detroit and the conditions which surrounded techno at all of its stages. If you don't believe that music has the power to unite people then I think that is very sad, not in some kind of flower power bullshit kind of way either. If you don't think music can cross/unite/mutate countries, cultures and 'classes' then you are missing out.

oh i definitely believe that music has a lot of power to unite people. frankly, as an activist and a musician, if i didn't i would be in the wrong place. it's just that it's not uncommon for people to gloss over the realities of life by throwing out this rosey picture of musical unity, and never really look any deeper into it than the whole hippy dippy "music changes the world so i don't have to" mentality.

where once musical movements had the power to ignite social movements, a lot of that has been lost in the industry/consumer BS. Maybe that comes from being in the "industry" for quite a long time, and being frustrated with it. dunno...

anyhow, now i am INCREDIBLY off-topic, so...sorry for the thread-rot. back to your regularly scheduled...ahem...programming.

*edited cuz i wasn't getting my point across succinctly*

Posted: **Fri Apr 06, 2007 5:43 pm**

<3 u sheev

Posted: **Fri Apr 06, 2007 5:47 pm**

Parson wrote:<3 u sheev

glad someone appreciates my nerdiness. ask anyone who knows me. i can go from dubstep to world politics in .5 seconds...and tie it all together.

Posted: **Fri Apr 06, 2007 5:54 pm**

oh me too

but i will get religious about it and start talking about aliens and the illuminati

Posted: **Fri Apr 06, 2007 5:59 pm**

Parson wrote:oh me too

but i will get religious about it and start talking about aliens and the illuminati

LOL we should totally chat. i am not a conspiracy theorist, but i appreciate them all the same.

Posted: **Fri Apr 06, 2007 6:02 pm**

i believe politics are a distraction

an illusion of incompetence

Posted: **Fri Apr 06, 2007 6:07 pm**

the lord is in here
his voice is small
you keep lyin' n tryin'
denyin' the call from inside
you can't hide responsibility
so decide from today just how its gonna be
thou shall have no other god but me

Posted: **Fri Apr 06, 2007 6:07 pm**

Parson wrote:i believe politics are a distraction

an illusion of incompetence

when i say "politics", i mean "understanding the systems that affect people and knowing how to flow around them and undermine them". i also mean "knowing what is going on in the world around me, and understanding how one action affects another".

i am mostly interested in the history of social justice movements, and how those play into, are affected by, and have been undermined through...politics.

so yeah...when i say "politics", know that i mean that in a MUCH broader way than the word initially implies.

Posted: **Fri Apr 06, 2007 6:10 pm**

the last social movements we have left are the internet and the daily show/colbert report

the mind control monster has effectively stamped out all other organized modes of dissent

Posted: **Fri Apr 06, 2007 6:11 pm**

something like SDS could NEVER happen today

Posted: **Fri Apr 06, 2007 6:12 pm**

freshly blazedbtw

Posted: **Fri Apr 06, 2007 6:14 pm**

ok so to stay on topic

i've had some psychedelic experiences in my day that were closely tied to dance music

i strongly believe that there are keys to doors there

truths that sound retarded when you try to explain them but they're truer than anything we know

Posted: **Fri Apr 06, 2007 6:17 pm**

Parson wrote:ok so to stay on topic

i've had some psychedelic experiences in my day that were closely tied to dance music

i strongly believe that there are keys to doors there

truths that sound retarded when you try to explain them but they're truer than anything we know

LOL u ARE blazed. hehe...we should prolly take this to off-topic, ya think?

Posted: **Sat Apr 07, 2007 9:24 am**

I haven't been online in a few days and I only read how this thread evolved just there, firstly I didn't know so many Dubstep heads were of Techno origin, the majority of the ya'll seem to be and I think that can only be a good thing, secondly I read over one daft comment that said all techno was minimal!! I know this person definitely doesn't come from a Techno background as he'd have alot more appreciation and respect for the music to categorise all sub genres and the genre of Techno under its worst genres roof........shame on ya boy! And if you want to hear real early minimal techno look no further than maurizio its actually good as supposed to the crates of shite being made today! Still a little too bland for my liking but alot better than todays stuff

Posted: **Sat Apr 07, 2007 1:47 pm**

hehe well in fact i listened to tons of really crappy eurodance-shit when i was a little boy but i think it was just a primitive form of my love for electronic sound

now i'm 18 and listen to loads of idm-stuff (i'm devoted to aphex twin and a lot of other stuff ), good techno, indie"-rock/pop and metal (well, That's a long time ago), reggae, dub, and--- yeah. dubstep.

Posted: **Sat Apr 07, 2007 3:48 pm**

Dekka wrote:I haven't been online in a few days and I only read how this thread evolved just there, firstly I didn't know so many Dubstep heads were of Techno origin, the majority of the ya'll seem to be and I think that can only be a good thing, secondly I read over one daft comment that said all techno was minimal!! I know this person definitely doesn't come from a Techno background as he'd have alot more appreciation and respect for the music to categorise all sub genres and the genre of Techno under its worst genres roof........shame on ya boy! And if you want to hear real early minimal techno look no further than maurizio its actually good as supposed to the crates of shite being made today! Still a little too bland for my liking but alot better than todays stuff

Or you could try Steve Reich & Phillip Glass in the 70's?

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