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true. Now that is fucked.nowaysj wrote:THAT shit is really wrong. I understand a pimply faced 14 yo wanting to make beats. But professionals doing that shit... that is not even right.makemerich wrote:ive been in professional recording studios with hacked software. there are more than you think.
chronicrecords wrote:the only people making any money (or losing) are massively rich corporations
I can sell him a cracked copy of Massive if he really wants to pay for itgenderM wrote:my friend was moaning the other day about how he wants to submit a bunch of demos to labels but is afraid to because all the plugins which supposedly "make his sound unique" were obtained without paying for them.
I agree with this fully! I will arrr arrr aarrr till I die!chronicrecords wrote:software is different from any real life object someone works on then is to be sold. for real life objects, actual hard work from a human went into that specific peice your buying. with software, yes a lot of hard work went into it, but its just a copy that took absolutely nothing to make. the people who made the original were payed long ago and aren't getting paid any more. the only people making any money (or losing) are massively rich corporations that wouldn't have a dent put in them if an entire city pirated their entire arsenal of software. if i go into a store and steal a t.v. thats a direct loss of money that went into the parts and labor that payed for that t.v. to be made. if i steal software, the company actually doesn't even lose 1 penny. but what they gain is the offchance ill buy this software now that ive seen how good it is by being able to fully explore it, and get the features from the new patch , because every peice of cracked software is a really old version with tons of awsome features that were added that you are missing out on. and even if i don't buy it in the end, they still lose nothing, but have gained me telling a bunch of friends about it , and one of them might buy it so it still benefits them in the end.
yes people. pirating benefits the companies that are being pirated.
yea except these audio software companies aren't these huge corporate entities like everyone would like to think and considering people like updates and bug fixes, more content being added and future versions the money paid gets invested back into the product and those developing it, it's not a one shot deal pay wise like say a video gameSirius wrote:I agree with this fully! I will arrr arrr aarrr till I die!chronicrecords wrote:software is different from any real life object someone works on then is to be sold. for real life objects, actual hard work from a human went into that specific peice your buying. with software, yes a lot of hard work went into it, but its just a copy that took absolutely nothing to make. the people who made the original were payed long ago and aren't getting paid any more. the only people making any money (or losing) are massively rich corporations that wouldn't have a dent put in them if an entire city pirated their entire arsenal of software. if i go into a store and steal a t.v. thats a direct loss of money that went into the parts and labor that payed for that t.v. to be made. if i steal software, the company actually doesn't even lose 1 penny. but what they gain is the offchance ill buy this software now that ive seen how good it is by being able to fully explore it, and get the features from the new patch , because every peice of cracked software is a really old version with tons of awsome features that were added that you are missing out on. and even if i don't buy it in the end, they still lose nothing, but have gained me telling a bunch of friends about it , and one of them might buy it so it still benefits them in the end.
yes people. pirating benefits the companies that are being pirated.
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Ay, but it does. You give fish to someone that wants fish, they give you a piece of paper. You go to NI give them the paper and they give you the software... simple bro.Sirius wrote:I would happily pay for software with fish... don't work that way tho ah!
nowaysj wrote:zerbaman wrote:It's not about what you have, or how you got it. It's about bacon.
PEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAKmakemerich wrote:ive been in professional recording studios with hacked software.
Whilst I agree with what your trying to say here deadly I think your videogame analogy is pretty outdated considering most good videogames these days are designed to keep you playing for months, if not years and include regular paid updates after a certain amount of time. Take call of duty for instance, new version released every year with say 3-4 map packs costing about 8 quid in between these releases. That's nearly 80 quid a year on a game that is constantly being reworked and improved upon, no different from paying a few hundred quid for a DAW that's then gonna cost an extra 100 quid every year or two to keep up to date.deadly habit wrote:yea except these audio software companies aren't these huge corporate entities like everyone would like to think and considering people like updates and bug fixes, more content being added and future versions the money paid gets invested back into the product and those developing it, it's not a one shot deal pay wise like say a video game
the game industry now nickel and dimes everything with dlc, and people lap it up too. call of duty being a prime example seeing as when's the last time they updated or changed the engine on it. essentially the "new" versions are just new maps with some cutscenes anyways and maybe some new weapons. fps series and sports games (the biggest sellers in the casual market are infamous for this)paravrais wrote:Whilst I agree with what your trying to say here deadly I think your videogame analogy is pretty outdated considering most good videogames these days are designed to keep you playing for months, if not years and include regular paid updates after a certain amount of time. Take call of duty for instance, new version released every year with say 3-4 map packs costing about 8 quid in between these releases. That's nearly 80 quid a year on a game that is constantly being reworked and improved upon, no different from paying a few hundred quid for a DAW that's then gonna cost an extra 100 quid every year or two to keep up to date.deadly habit wrote:yea except these audio software companies aren't these huge corporate entities like everyone would like to think and considering people like updates and bug fixes, more content being added and future versions the money paid gets invested back into the product and those developing it, it's not a one shot deal pay wise like say a video game
If I were a tnuc I would tell you some big names who also used hacked software! this is one of the only places I can think of that has so many people looking down on warez...tavravlavish wrote:true. Now that is fucked.nowaysj wrote:THAT shit is really wrong. I understand a pimply faced 14 yo wanting to make beats. But professionals doing that shit... that is not even right.makemerich wrote:ive been in professional recording studios with hacked software. there are more than you think.
Yeah I totally agree (well with the bit about music software, not at all about videogames (Brackets within brackets but Read Dead Redemption/it's zombie update anyone?) but we'll leave that), that's why I only use paid for software. But when I was first introduced to producing I didn't know there was any good freeware VSTs or that Reaper offered a month long trial and a very affordable price. All I knew was that my mate used Reason and that I didn't have enough money to afford it. I don't see how me using a cracked version of Reason for a few months until I saved up enough to buy the latest version damaged the industry. The alternative would have been me not using the cracked version, never getting into production and never buying a legit copy OR any of the hardware/software I've purchased since...deadly habit wrote:the game industry now nickel and dimes everything with dlc, and people lap it up too. call of duty being a prime example seeing as when's the last time they updated or changed the engine on it. essentially the "new" versions are just new maps with some cutscenes anyways and maybe some new weapons. fps series and sports games (the biggest sellers in the casual market are infamous for this)paravrais wrote:Whilst I agree with what your trying to say here deadly I think your videogame analogy is pretty outdated considering most good videogames these days are designed to keep you playing for months, if not years and include regular paid updates after a certain amount of time. Take call of duty for instance, new version released every year with say 3-4 map packs costing about 8 quid in between these releases. That's nearly 80 quid a year on a game that is constantly being reworked and improved upon, no different from paying a few hundred quid for a DAW that's then gonna cost an extra 100 quid every year or two to keep up to date.deadly habit wrote:yea except these audio software companies aren't these huge corporate entities like everyone would like to think and considering people like updates and bug fixes, more content being added and future versions the money paid gets invested back into the product and those developing it, it's not a one shot deal pay wise like say a video game
also the appeal of them is multiplayer, the single player campaign on most of these games have gone to shitttttttttttt over the years the more causal the market gets and you're lucky to get 10+ hours out of them
but before i digress into a whole new tangent, paying for your software, keeps development and quality thriving. you want your software to continue to be compatible with new hardware and computer architectures as they get developed which you willingly pay for? buy your shit
hell read the interviews with say the propellerhead or reaper guys that were in tape op not too long ago (which you don't even have to steal it's free to subscribe, but you may have to pay for back issues) these guys aren't some huge corporations, successful yes, with a bunch of hard work and man hours behind it.
That's completely true, *but* like I've said, if your unaware of the other options then you can't really blame someone as long as their intentions are good. Obviously someone who has come here and asked about how to get started and being pointed in the direction of a budget setup. Then yeah it would be morally wrong of them to then go out and crack massive and FL and try and be the next Skrillex.deadly habit wrote:there's so many cheap and free options out there there's no necessity to have to resort to piracy like there used to be