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Posted: **Mon May 16, 2011 8:55 am**

AllNightDayDream wrote:@ pistons: when you assume, you make an ass out of u and me. He just comes off very pretentious (hipster) to me sometimes. Especially the fact he won't release stuff digitally. So much for digital mystikz.

Hah, this is actually true. I hate the word hipster. Well, I don't hate it, but I'm annoyed by people who care SOOOO much about what a hipster is and what a hipster does. Meanwhile, we should have long been over that 'us vs them' mentality the moment we leave high school. But to deny that the whole 'lol vinyl warmth, fck digital, man' thing is on some hipster shit is just ridiculous.

AllNightDayDream wrote:@dubfreak: Yeah i've seen his interviews. I understand that he doesn't like genres and such, but when you actually listen to his tunes I find it hard to believe you can't hear they all come from the same mold.

A lot of people say stuff like this, but it's bullshit. There's more variety in dubstep now than there was back in 2001, when people didn't call it that.

As always, it's the people who are the most anti 'labeling' who care the most about labels. Some people throw genre names around but don't give a shit either way. They just hear the name of a genre, use it and that's the end of it. The people who are anti-genre throw huge fucking wide-eyed hissyfits about how 'genres are destroying music'. So in a way, the people who care the most about genres are the people who are against them.

Posted: **Mon May 16, 2011 9:00 am**

Juice Terry wrote:Anyone saying that James Blake isn't dubstep needs to have a word with themselves IMO.

Fair enough if you don't like the direction he took with the album but he's one of the most musically innovative producers out there. The one concession that I'll make is that the songs on the album make a lot more sense live than they do in the house or on headphones. Having seen him live twice this year I can tell you that the sub on The Wilhelm Scream is immense. The gig at St Pancras Old Church was one of the best gigs I've ever been to.

Haha not to be a dick but if you think james' music classifies as dubstep, or more importantly that the presence of sub alone makes a track dubstep, I suggest you check yourself before you wreck yourself.

It's not even about liking his music, why do people keep thinking criticism is somehow a jab to the music? I feel the same way about burial, because he doesn't make dubstep either. Music like theirs totally transcends the boundaries of genre and labels. They just lay sounds down and get their iconic sound groovin completely oblivious to genres or specific audiences. They truly make music for themselves, at least that's the impression I get. They've got their own formulas, but almost no one else has or maybe can follow their formulas.

That said I think it's painfully obvious that more than Skrillex, datsik, or excision, Blake has ridden his fame on the dubstep train. Maybe he had nothin to do it, music journalists can be terribly uninformed and manipulative, but generally his sound really is a farcry from dubstep, classic and new school. I'm not the kind of person that would consider that wholly a negative thing, but itsanother example of the double standards among supposed dubstep enthusiasts around here.

Posted: **Mon May 16, 2011 9:09 am**

Fuck hipsters. It's easy to tell the sort at nights.

Posted: **Mon May 16, 2011 9:16 am**

Genevieve wrote:
AllNightDayDream wrote:@ pistons: when you assume, you make an ass out of u and me. He just comes off very pretentious (hipster) to me sometimes. Especially the fact he won't release stuff digitally. So much for digital mystikz.
Hah, this is actually true. I hate the word hipster. Well, I don't hate it, but I'm annoyed by people who care SOOOO much about what a hipster is and what a hipster does. Meanwhile, we should have long been over that 'us vs them' mentality the moment we leave high school. But to deny that the whole 'lol vinyl warmth, fck digital, man' thing is on some hipster shit is just ridiculous.

AllNightDayDream wrote:@dubfreak: Yeah i've seen his interviews. I understand that he doesn't like genres and such, but when you actually listen to his tunes I find it hard to believe you can't hear they all come from the same mold.
A lot of people say stuff like this, but it's bullshit. There's more variety in dubstep now than there was back in 2001, when people didn't call it that.

As always, it's the people who are the most anti 'labeling' who care the most about labels. Some people throw genre names around but don't give a shit either way. They just hear the name of a genre, use it and that's the end of it. The people who are anti-genre throw huge fucking wide-eyed hissyfits about how 'genres are destroying music'. So in a way, the people who care the most about genres are the people who are against them.

to be honest, I see the sense in genres. In the same way writing a review about a movie can help people look for films, genres give people an idea of what to expect when they get recomended something. It has its evils, definitely, and the best stuff completely ignores them, but I find them necessary most of the time.

I also make more of a deal about hipsters, because coming from an emo/indie background I encounter them and their mentally all the time.

As for mala and the digital thing, it's even worse when a figure like him buys into that because to me at least it shows it's more important to keep that image of the legendary authentic artist than do the good work of spreading good music. But he has every right to do as he pleases. And yeah he says he doesn't like genres, yet every tune he's come out with is pure dubstep and Ive yet to hear him really experiment.

Posted: **Mon May 16, 2011 9:31 am**

I was actually saying that 'genres' are unimportant. They're just a convenient way to find more music. If the label 'dubstep' didn't exist, dubstepforum wouldn't exist and people wouldn't find the music. So to be 'against genres' and 'labels' and getting worked up over subgenres is pointless.

Posted: **Mon May 16, 2011 10:08 am**

Everybody should think what I think.

Posted: **Mon May 16, 2011 10:16 am**

Genevieve wrote: As always, it's the people who are the most anti 'labeling' who care the most about labels. Some people throw genre names around but don't give a shit either way.

All cows are green because I saw a green one today

Posted: **Mon May 16, 2011 10:54 am**

People defend mala blindly because hes one of the old guard, one of a small group of producers that continues to push a unique sound that wont be changed for money or for fame. Im pretty sure you can download deep medi releases off itunes anyway. The whole point of cutting tracks to acetate is something unique to soundsystem culture that has continued through jungle, garage and into dubstep. I wouldnt expect a lot of people to understand that, certain people in this thread obviously dont. On the james blake subject, how is he a scene hipster? From what ive heard his tracks are pretty decent, hes even said he got his influence from going to FWD. A load of other so called producers seem to have appeared out of knowhere and dont have respect for the roots or the scene itself.

Posted: **Mon May 16, 2011 12:16 pm**

mIrReN wrote:
Genevieve wrote: As always, it's the people who are the most anti 'labeling' who care the most about labels. Some people throw genre names around but don't give a shit either way.

All cows are green because I saw a green one today

It's actually not a generaization. Being 'anti' implies an emotion. I'm not 'pro' or 'anti' labels. I don't give a shit.

Posted: **Mon May 16, 2011 12:29 pm**

Duffman wrote:Mala a Hipster?

(All credit goes to wubstep for that)

hahahahahaha! This made me laugh so much.

Posted: **Mon May 16, 2011 12:38 pm**

AllNightDayDream wrote:
dublerium wrote:
AllNightDayDream wrote:@ pistons: when you assume, you make an ass out of u and me. He just comes off very pretentious (hipster) to me sometimes. Especially the fact he won't release stuff digitally. So much for digital mystikz.
And I guarantee some of my views may be more left than his.
@dubfreak: Yeah i've seen his interviews. I understand that he doesn't like genres and such, but when you actually listen to his tunes I find it hard to believe you can't hear they all come from the same mold.
Are you for real ?
lol it's funny as soon as someone criticizes any of the old heads you get this kind of reaction. Classic.

Jesus christ....

Posted: **Mon May 16, 2011 1:08 pm**

Genevieve wrote:
mIrReN wrote:
Genevieve wrote: As always, it's the people who are the most anti 'labeling' who care the most about labels. Some people throw genre names around but don't give a shit either way.

All cows are green because I saw a green one today
It's actually not a generaization. Being 'anti' implies an emotion. I'm not 'pro' or 'anti' labels. I don't give a shit.

It is, you generalize the people who are anti-labeling (which includes me), you even say it's always them

but I can't be bothered by genres, I have 2; good music and shit music.

Posted: **Mon May 16, 2011 2:57 pm**

JBoy wrote:Im pretty sure you can download deep medi releases off itunes anyway.

JBoy wrote:The whole point of cutting tracks to acetate is something unique to soundsystem culture that has continued through jungle, garage and into dubstep. I wouldnt expect a lot of people to understand that, certain people in this thread obviously dont.

Assuming you're talking about me, it makes perfect sense the idea of cutting unreleased dubs for crowd teasers at events. But what is the point of taking it to the extreme where your music only exists for those into vinyl?

Posted: **Mon May 16, 2011 3:08 pm**

Because 'vinyl is dying', he is in a position to keep it somewhat alive and it all ties into sound-system culture, strongly.

AllNightDayDream, please stop. Please. Please stop digging. Questioning Mala's motives and implying he has hipster tendencies, how well did you think this was going to go?

I don't think you really understand it basically, fundamental flaw in understanding of this music.

Posted: **Mon May 16, 2011 3:15 pm**

AllNightDayDream wrote:
JBoy wrote:Im pretty sure you can download deep medi releases off itunes anyway.

JBoy wrote:The whole point of cutting tracks to acetate is something unique to soundsystem culture that has continued through jungle, garage and into dubstep. I wouldnt expect a lot of people to understand that, certain people in this thread obviously dont.
Assuming you're talking about me, it makes perfect sense the idea of cutting unreleased dubs for crowd teasers at events. But what is the point of taking it to the extreme where your music only exists for those into vinyl?

The whole vinyl scene is what it is, some people just dont get it. Id rather own something physical be it a cd or a record. This way you get the artwork (if there is any) and something to add to a collection. Id most likely download a digital version aswell because theyre cheap but wheres the fun in a hard drive full of tunes? The dubplate thing is another thing unique to this type of sound and some people want to keep that going, owning a dubplate is special in my opinion because theyre generally handed out to select people.

Posted: **Mon May 16, 2011 3:28 pm**

If you look at it like that, vinyl has been "dead". But people still religiously collect it. Every other artist manages to keep the vinyl craze alive while giving people who haven't been a part of that culture the opportunity to own their music. Releasing tunes digitally isn't going to somehow convince the collectors to put away their crates. Again, it's him trying to uphold that stupid image, and he's placing that over the music. All you people do is question the motives of artists you conveniently don't like. If selling out is compromising the music for cash, than mala is doing the same thing for reputation.

And wubstep, you aren't the first or second person to cleverly back up your beloved artist with "you just don't understand".

For the record, I love physical copies. I never had a record player growing up, so its CDs for me. Regardless, you can have all this drama about physical and whatever, but at the end of the day it's all about the waves that come out of your speakers. The genius and convenience of a portable MP3 player is a wonderful thing and gives opportunities that otherwise wouldn't be there. For mala to look down on that as not worthy of his music is incredibly hipster and as a fan and musician it shows me that music is not his priority, but the scene kudos are.

Posted: **Mon May 16, 2011 3:45 pm**

AllNightDayDream wrote:If you look at it like that, vinyl has been "dead". But people still religiously collect it. Every other artist manages to keep the vinyl craze alive while giving people who haven't been a part of that culture the opportunity to own their music. Releasing tunes digitally isn't going to somehow convince the collectors to put away their crates. Again, it's him trying to uphold that stupid image, and he's placing that over the music. All you people do is question the motives of artists you conveniently don't like. If selling out is compromising the music for cash, than mala is doing the same thing for reputation.

And wubstep, you're the second person to cleverly back up your beloved artist with "you just don't understand". Again, classic.

For the record, I love physical copies. I never had a record player growing up, so its CDs for me. Regardless, you can have all this drama about physical and whatever, but at the end of the day it's all about the waves that come out of your speakers. The genius and convenience of a portable MP3 player is a wonderful thing and gives opportunities that otherwise wouldn't be there. For mala to look down on that as not worthy of his music is incredibly hipster and as a fan and musician it shows me that music is not his priority, but the scene kudos are.

Sounds like you have some sort of personal thing against mala. If there was one person in the scene that is trying to keep it alive then its him. I doubt he does anything to create an image for himself, anything he does is out of personal choice and love for the music which is quite rare in the modern world. You might think im sucking up to him, if anything ive just got respect because without him we wouldnt be where we are now. Theres too many people around nowadays that have no respect or interest in the roots and im afraid vinyl/acetate is a big part of that. Youre talking like some kid who discovered dubstep from one of your high school friends two months ago, its quite funny

Posted: **Mon May 16, 2011 4:18 pm**

A producer doesn't have to cater to everybody's little fucking whim. Jeez.

Posted: **Mon May 16, 2011 4:22 pm**

Baxturkey wrote:Whats up with these British hipsters making pitchfork style anti-pop and calling it "classic dubstep"?
Where do they get off?

well done

Posted: **Mon May 16, 2011 4:25 pm**

garethom wrote:A producer doesn't have to cater to everybody's little fucking whim. Jeez.

Amen. Get over yourself. Bless up mala for the wax

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