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-[2]DAY_- wrote:i dunno what the proper term is anymore, but i reckon Badklaat makes some of my favorite, filthiest tearout dubstep.
Its the type of tunes that are so good you can go ahead and call it dubstep without feeling wrong about it

Badklaat, Coki, and Requake are the "filthiest" in my opinion, but that's because of the feeling they give me. When I hear a lot of the "brostep" music, I like it, but it doesn't give me that feeling where I literally laugh to myself and say, "AWWWWW SHIT!" out loud

I don't even know where this discussion is going anymore. Part of me feels like this is on-topic because it's where we were vs. where we are now (Please let's not start focusing solely on who has the best snare hit. Happened to DnB as wub said and I've already seen some threads here going the same route), but at the same time, I hope it doesn't turn into a Skrillex flame war

It won't.


Basically, in some people's eyes production value has replaced fun when it comes to making tunes. Honestly, I can't be arsed to sit around doing hours and hours of sound design to get something sounding ridiculously unique.

wub wrote:Basically, in some people's eyes production value has replaced fun when it comes to making tunes. Honestly, I can't be arsed to sit around doing hours and hours of sound design to get something sounding ridiculously unique.

Well, that's the point, some people find that sitting for hours on end doing sound design and creating twisted and unique sounds is fun and entertaining for them.

Disco Nutter wrote:

wub wrote:Basically, in some people's eyes production value has replaced fun when it comes to making tunes. Honestly, I can't be arsed to sit around doing hours and hours of sound design to get something sounding ridiculously unique.

Well, that's the point, some people find that sitting for hours on end doing sound design and creating twisted and unique sounds is fun and entertaining for them.

I appreciate that, but when sound design is put ahead of songwriting/keeping things interesting, that's where it goes wrong. As I've already mentioned, the techy roller trend in Dubstep that started a few years back was diabolically boring. Just a bunch of producers trying to out tech themselves whilst cranking out identikit tracks that were polished as fuck and very professional sounding but my god devoid of soul and fun altogether.

wub wrote:

Disco Nutter wrote:

wub wrote:Basically, in some people's eyes production value has replaced fun when it comes to making tunes. Honestly, I can't be arsed to sit around doing hours and hours of sound design to get something sounding ridiculously unique.

Well, that's the point, some people find that sitting for hours on end doing sound design and creating twisted and unique sounds is fun and entertaining for them.

I appreciate that, but when sound design is put ahead of songwriting/keeping things interesting, that's where it goes wrong. As I've already mentioned, the techy roller trend in Dubstep that started a few years back was diabolically boring. Just a bunch of producers trying to out tech themselves whilst cranking out identikit tracks that were polished as fuck and very professional sounding but my god devoid of soul and fun altogether.

This trend needs to be remedied before it worsens. I haven't even purchased any new tunes lately because they aren't new. Every song is starting to sound the same. In such a subjective world as music, is it really worth it to polish up your sound design more than your composition/"flavor" when it could sound good or bad to any one person? That's where it comes back to what the OP said about how we're starting to produce songs to impress other producers.

i think a funky riff with a fat triangle wave outdoes any amount of FM envelopes EQ automating growls on one stupid note to make the thing say "yuk yuk yuk" followed by a screech, followed by a cheesy trance chord, followed by Yeuuurrgh.

And at a rave, i can't listen to that shite.
it makes me stop dancing and just sit back and laugh at myself and all the people around me screwing up their faces being wowed by these sounds and laZers and shit... and its like um. we look like the futuristic club scene in a Batman Forever cartoon. lmfao

-[2]DAY_- wrote:... and its like um. we look like the futuristic club scene in a Batman Forever cartoon. lmfao

HAHAHA!!

I lust of what's left of the CHEAP vintage gear that is out there, and awesome. I love character in cool gear. Buying shit that was made before I was born. DATZ WHAT I LOVE. I need to get a VCR to record onn nexxtttt

tavravlavish wrote:I lust of what's left of the CHEAP vintage gear that is out there, and awesome. I love character in cool gear. Buying shit that was made before I was born. DATZ WHAT I LOVE. I need to get a VCR to record onn nexxtttt

Not vintage or even that old in any way, but I still use my Roland SP-404 every day, even if I'm just muckin around Screwin around with hardware is often a good way to escape the confines of conformation that many, including myself, have fallen victim to. Because with hardware, you can kind of play with it, it sounds how it sounds, it feels more expressive to me. Whereas, with VSTs and mouseclicks, it doesn't feel as organic and you're more focused (subconsciously or not) on the technical side of things and building sounds. I've even gone back to using old analog synths lately to build 80's synthpop tracks and I love it. The synths/drum machines sound how they sound more or less, so at that point, I'm just playing an instrument. It allows one to focus more on composition, arrangement, and creativity. I'm not trying to start a hardware vs. software battle and by no means am I saying that you can't be as creative using software. I actually prefer software. Hardware just gives me a better feeling to play it, no worries, just the vibes of the sounds and the love of creativity

404 is so much fun to jam to... it has all sorts of "hidden" features.. really cool.

tavravlavish wrote:I need to get a VCR to record onn nexxtttt

I can't remember exactly, but I swear someone on here has a VCR incorporated into their studio setup. There's a pic somewhere in the Classic Take A Picture... thread.

wub wrote:

tavravlavish wrote:I need to get a VCR to record onn nexxtttt

I can't remember exactly, but I swear someone on here has a VCR incorporated into their studio setup. There's a pic somewhere in the Classic Take A Picture... thread.

The only time I can recall using a VCR/DVD player in my setup was sampling to the good ol' 404.

zerbaman wrote:

FluidMoShun wrote:Music is nothing without emotion, and most of brostep has none.

? That's a pretty stupid thing to say?

Euphoria? Anger?

Not all music needs to be moody as fuck to convey some sort of emotion

Last I checked anger and happiness were emotions Looks like the stupidity tables have been turned.

FluidMoShun wrote:
Last I checked anger and happiness were emotions Looks like the stupidity tables have been turned.

I'll break it down

zerbaman wrote:Euphoria? Anger?

Those are examples of emotions. I used them to make a case against your original statement.

zerbaman wrote:Not all music needs to be moody as fuck to convey some sort of emotion

THIS is a separate statement. I'll explain with these:



Two absolutely sick tracks. Both of which I'm 100% sure you love. Neither of which have any real emotion. It's the vibe that listeners enjoy.

zerbaman wrote:Not all music needs to be moody as fuck to convey some sort of emotion

THIS is a separate statement. I'll explain with these:



Two absolutely sick tracks. Both of which I'm 100% sure you love. Neither of which have any real emotion. It's the vibe that listeners enjoy.[/quote]

cant agree with this midnight request line @ 2:35 makes me feel proper euphoric, that whole section till the end makes me really emotional actually cos of the key change.

nb. different emotions are triggered in people by the same tunes

wub wrote:

tavravlavish wrote:I need to get a VCR to record onn nexxtttt

I can't remember exactly, but I swear someone on here has a VCR incorporated into their studio setup. There's a pic somewhere in the Classic Take A Picture... thread.

hah nice, I just like the idea of it. I have some tape machines but I need to rock the VCR and get tha VCR compression. I just love running sounds through a mess of weird preferably old gear that the world forgot about.

TieN wrote:

tavravlavish wrote:I lust of what's left of the CHEAP vintage gear that is out there, and awesome. I love character in cool gear. Buying shit that was made before I was born. DATZ WHAT I LOVE. I need to get a VCR to record onn nexxtttt

Not vintage or even that old in any way, but I still use my Roland SP-404 every day, even if I'm just muckin around Screwin around with hardware is often a good way to escape the confines of conformation that many, including myself, have fallen victim to. Because with hardware, you can kind of play with it, it sounds how it sounds, it feels more expressive to me. Whereas, with VSTs and mouseclicks, it doesn't feel as organic and you're more focused (subconsciously or not) on the technical side of things and building sounds. I've even gone back to using old analog synths lately to build 80's synthpop tracks and I love it. The synths/drum machines sound how they sound more or less, so at that point, I'm just playing an instrument. It allows one to focus more on composition, arrangement, and creativity. I'm not trying to start a hardware vs. software battle and by no means am I saying that you can't be as creative using software. I actually prefer software. Hardware just gives me a better feeling to play it, no worries, just the vibes of the sounds and the love of creativity

You got the right idea, good old knob twisting. If you get good at it do it live, I hope to do that someday.

i would just like to hear more funky ass performances with good stock sounds, rather than a lack of performance, but on space-age, incredibly well crafted enigmatic sounds. I guess it all has its place.

zerbaman wrote:

FluidMoShun wrote:
Last I checked anger and happiness were emotions Looks like the stupidity tables have been turned.

I'll break it down

zerbaman wrote:Euphoria? Anger?

Those are examples of emotions. I used them to make a case against your original statement.

zerbaman wrote:Not all music needs to be moody as fuck to convey some sort of emotion

THIS is a separate statement. I'll explain with these:



Two absolutely sick tracks. Both of which I'm 100% sure you love. Neither of which have any real emotion. It's the vibe that listeners enjoy.

Neither of those tracks are brostep. Both tracks I'm quite familiar with, too. Emotion doesn't have to be something specific, but you can feel it in the way a song plays. Both of those songs got tons of it. There's no emotion in writing one drum track, looping it for an entire song and then warbling the fuck out of some distorted, bitcrushed bass for an entire song. Songs like that have no direction and no feeling. They're just intense and can sound cool, but thats about it. Nothing sends out an endorphin release like when a song comes together perfect, every sound vibing off each other, resonating to create a moment of musical and emotional perfection. I never get that feeling from brostep, it just makes me think "oh. cool."





Emotion isn't a ratio of bass oscillations, and if that's all you're (the general "you", not you specifically =P) focused on, you'll never invoke the beautiful feelings and full sound palates that music is meant to convey.

tavravlavish wrote:

TieN wrote:

tavravlavish wrote:I lust of what's left of the CHEAP vintage gear that is out there, and awesome. I love character in cool gear. Buying shit that was made before I was born. DATZ WHAT I LOVE. I need to get a VCR to record onn nexxtttt

Not vintage or even that old in any way, but I still use my Roland SP-404 every day, even if I'm just muckin around Screwin around with hardware is often a good way to escape the confines of conformation that many, including myself, have fallen victim to. Because with hardware, you can kind of play with it, it sounds how it sounds, it feels more expressive to me. Whereas, with VSTs and mouseclicks, it doesn't feel as organic and you're more focused (subconsciously or not) on the technical side of things and building sounds. I've even gone back to using old analog synths lately to build 80's synthpop tracks and I love it. The synths/drum machines sound how they sound more or less, so at that point, I'm just playing an instrument. It allows one to focus more on composition, arrangement, and creativity. I'm not trying to start a hardware vs. software battle and by no means am I saying that you can't be as creative using software. I actually prefer software. Hardware just gives me a better feeling to play it, no worries, just the vibes of the sounds and the love of creativity

You got the right idea, good old knob twisting. If you get good at it do it live, I hope to do that someday.

I actually recently set up my 404 for live use My favorite samples are the ones I took from Skype without people knowing (I recently made a hip hop beat from a girl talking to her cat)