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Ludge wrote:ehh, depends how good you are, and what you charge

say average sound engineer/masterer in electronic music.

Sinestepper wrote:

grooki wrote:mixdown as I go, final adjustements at the end. A total nightmare to mixdown at the end, and it would not sound so good up until that point.

This^

So true for me

travis baker wrote:

Ludge wrote:ehh, depends how good you are, and what you charge

say average sound engineer/masterer in electronic music.

Well you cant really give an average on something like that, it all depends on the amount of songs your mastering, and what your charging per song.

So 5 songs a week for 50 each would be 500 dollars a week. Only 2000 a month :/

I've noticed I actually mixdown as I go MOSTLY to keep doing 'something' to my tune while I'm uninspired about what I wanna do next and hope that in process of working on it, I get some inspiration to continue writing it.

Ludge wrote:

travis baker wrote:

Ludge wrote:ehh, depends how good you are, and what you charge

say average sound engineer/masterer in electronic music.

Well you cant really give an average on something like that, it all depends on the amount of songs your mastering, and what your charging per song.

So 5 songs a week for 50 each would be 500 dollars a week. Only 2000 a month :/

I've noticed some savvy mastering engineers based in different countries, such as Lithuania. They keep their overheads down and can slightly undercut the big boys. Making the dough.

Getting back on topic with the thread though and as others have touched on, I don't really see how you could leave the entire mixdown process until the end because everything would just down shit and out of wack and it would be a massive pain in the arse. You at least get the gains roughly in good standing with each other and to be honest EQing is as much a creative thing as it is a technical process this days, so you will have done at least SOME EQing way before you get to the end.

wub wrote:I mixdown as I go to an extent, but only because FL has a weird habit of making the audio clips that I import directly into the playlist that much louder than if I'd loaded them into a sampler/Slicex channel.

So I'll hot assign those to spare mixer channels (usually 32/34 onwards depending on what is already setup) and volume control them as required.

Actual proper mixdown where I'm fiddling with EQs and whatnot to make everything sit properly is done once the majority of the tune is out the way.

Clips in the playlist are normalized to 100% volume while your standard channels are set to 78 or 80, i think. No idea why though cause its a little annoying.

Sparxy wrote:

Ludge wrote:

travis baker wrote:

Ludge wrote:

You at least get the gains roughly in good standing with each other and to be honest EQing is as much a creative thing as it is a technical process this days, so you will have done at least SOME EQing way before you get to the end.

This for sure. Its way easier to isolate problems when you dont have a full mix yet, and catching clashes in the low/ mid section can be a MAJOR pain in the ass with a dozen instruments playing.

Sparxy wrote:

Ludge wrote:

travis baker wrote:

Ludge wrote:ehh, depends how good you are, and what you charge

say average sound engineer/masterer in electronic music.

Well you cant really give an average on something like that, it all depends on the amount of songs your mastering, and what your charging per song.

So 5 songs a week for 50 each would be 500 dollars a week. Only 2000 a month :/

I've noticed some savvy mastering engineers based in different countries, such as Lithuania. They keep their overheads down and can slightly undercut the big boys. Making the dough.

Getting back on topic with the thread though and as others have touched on, I don't really see how you could leave the entire mixdown process until the end because everything would just down shit and out of wack and it would be a massive pain in the arse. You at least get the gains roughly in good standing with each other and to be honest EQing is as much a creative thing as it is a technical process this days, so you will have done at least SOME EQing way before you get to the end.

yeah obviously withing reason, like rough cutting and all. but id have to say if i ever try tighten things up after the tune is near the end of completion i generely make it sound worse. i tend to only care about frequencies under 1 or 2k. the rest always seems to fit in withought any finr adjustments

So the conclusion of this thread is to keep creative technical thought seperate, which means corrective mixdown at the end.

Ludge wrote: So 5 songs a week for 50 each would be 500 dollars a week. Only 2000 a month :/

Sorry to derail... but isn't 5 songs per week x $50 each = $250 per week / $1000 per month?

jonahmann wrote:So the conclusion of this thread is to keep creative technical thought seperate, which means corrective mixdown at the end.

I think it is mix as you go but don't get caught up in it, cause I don't think anyone can just sit there and be creative for an hour if you have some snare or sub bass that is just giving you massive headache if it is too loud. Rough mix as you go, fine tune everything/get technical at the end.

I think balance is key here...

I do a creative part, then mix it.

Create the drums and mix them.
Create the bass then mix it wit the drums.
Create a melody, mix it with the bass, then the drums.
Keep doing this with the new elements until the end.
Then do a final tweak of the overall mix.

For me, its a constant layering process.

If your just adding layers and they don't sound good together you get de-motivated about the tune!

I mix as i go to such an extent that most of the time i cant find much at all to do when my track is 'finished'...im yet to start mastering my tracks though...i dont really have time for this maybe i will just get it done professionally when ive got a track worthy of it!

Mad EP wrote:

Ludge wrote: So 5 songs a week for 50 each would be 500 dollars a week. Only 2000 a month :/

Sorry to derail... but isn't 5 songs per week x $50 each = $250 per week / $1000 per month?

Yeah, making 2000 a month as a freelance mastering engineer wouldn't be bad at all
Money is in mixing down bands though.

I write in reason and very roughly mix as I go (just levels though, no EQ or anything). Then once everything's written I rewire into Cubase and start my mixdown from scratch.

jonahmann wrote:So the conclusion of this thread is to keep creative technical thought seperate, which means corrective mixdown at the end.

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Personally I mix as I go to get a feel for an end result, plus It's more of a hassle if you wait until the end to mix everything down.

I mix as i go along, then do a final mix in the end. I always set up effects send chains in the beginning and apply them as i go along e.g compressors, reverb, saturators etc. I also eq everything as i go along. The final mix down is more about balancing volume levels and polishing stuff off.

For me eq'in/compressing etc during writing, helps me determine whats missing in the arrangement and mix.

well whatever b9 was doin when he made this thread obvs worked

kaili wrote:well whatever b9 was doin when he made this thread obvs worked

i have no idea what im doing