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I hate to argue and pollute a thread like this with garbage, but I just need to set some things straight with corny...

epochalypso wrote:^You're a tool. Coki said himself he doesn't go out of his way to write amazing pieces of music, he writes dubplates. Dubplates that he cuts to play on big fucking systems to wreck the dance. And they end up getting released because people love them.
It's not "rimming", a lot of people genuinely enjoy his music, and this being dubstepforum, a lot of those people post on here. Is that such a difficult concept?
You're complaining about people bigging up a producer on a forum? You're a dickhead mate.
If you don't like it, jog on.

Cornbreadddd wrote:You are so,fucking, stupid. Not even talking about Coki man, typically people read words. Words form sentences, sentences form complete thoughts, and then collectively this whole structure enables humans to communicate.. Above I utilized this apparently incredibly difficult concept (for people such as yourself) to express my feelings

Cornbread, you're a douche and maybe one day you'll realize it.

You act all snooty and intelligent, and then you just pull nonsense out of your ass like these nuggets of wisdom:

Cornbreadddd wrote:Disko Rekah was ground-breaking for sure, Mud, Ruffage too. The man has tunes, but I feel like some people straight up idolize the guy on this forum.

Like pulkpull said, Disko Rekah wasn't innovating in any way. Sick tune, don't get me wrong, but I can totally understand why Loefah wasn't happy with it, because it's a pretty standard dubstep tune of the times. How can you even say it was ground breaking when you weren't even into the music in 07? There's nothing wrong with being a little late to the party but don't act like an expert ffs

Kinda feel that he has this way of making his tunes seem godly just by never releasing any of them. Mala will always be the king.

Maybe you should read the quote in my sig... if Mala is just like Loefah in that regard, does that mean he's no longer your king lololol I guess you don't know about the ridiculous amounts of Mala tunes that will probably never see the light of day? He's actually got a lot more dubs than Loe... Time and time again, you just expose how clueless you really are.

Cornbreadddd wrote:This is a total cop-out. Good music is good music and shouldn't be relative to location. Just because you're out around other people in a building that isn't your house, doesn't mean the music has to be crazy and that you can't vibe out on something less chaotic. A party atmosphere doesn't always have to be an aggressive atmosphere.

Man, if you had even an inkling of a clue of what it's really all about, you wouldn't be saying this. The fact that you think it simply boils down to "location". Just goes to show that you've never really had a true experience, because it's such a radically different thing than sitting at home and listening to it. There's really no way to explain it. The music takes on a completely different form... part of it is a shift from listening -> feeling, but it's so much more complex than that. Like Raad said, it's all about context... The context, the vibe, the system, the people, the emotion, everything plays together in a beautiful way to produce something very unique. It's really an amazing phenomenon - at the risk of sounding a bit preachy and pretentious. One day you might finally get to experience it yourself, and it'll click in your head, and you'll realize what we're talking about. Then again, maybe you will never get it. That's alright too, you're a different type of person, but maybe you should look into a different genre of music then, because this idea is central to the genre IMO.

"Good" music isn't objective like you're trying to argue it is. Sort of like how there's music to listen to when you're drifting off to sleep vs. music you're going to listen to when you're at a party... There's music for listening to at home, and music meant to be listened to on a system.

Phigure's hit the nail on the head there, as has pretty much everyone who has replied to you Cornbreaddd. Have you ever heard any of Loefah's tunes on a system? It's fucking ridiculous. And amoungst the originators I think this is fairly well acknowledged. I've seen interviews with both Kode9 and Mala where they essentially say that when it comes to bass manipulation look no further than Loefah. Many people have tried to copy all of the DMZ guys much like Burial. They've never managed it though. Loefah is admired on this forum for essentially changing the direction of the scene a couple of times let alone his output. Mala is admired even more than him here I'd say (and justifiably so) for being the driving force of organising DMZ and now System. Again not even taking into account his output.

I'm not even going to act like a dubstep OG. I started hearing about it in 08 and didn't get really into it until 2009, but one of the things that drew me to it was the feelings. Whether it be listening to Burial and Fourtet in my room with the lights off or going crazy at a show to the new Benga tune, the feeling has always been what it's about to me. When you try to get to intellectual with the music you just ruin it. Can't believe the thread on DMZ 026 came to this. All I wanted to say is that Haymaker is nutty and Revolution is vibes.

Haymaker is one of the few Coki tunes i've been really feeling recently. Out to Coki on this one

One of the most innovative producers since day.

Now all we need is a couple of Loefah plates coming out on DMZ (which I sincerely doubt) to make the dubstep world happy again.

Anybody know how many of these they press these days? I think its more than they used to. The older ones are robbery on Discogs....

after completely dismissing it and calling it shit, revolution is somehow growing on me after a couple of listens... i mean it still kinda annoys me but i still like throwing it in there...

2muchchat is right... coki has been spoiling us recently, i wouldn't expect anyone to be buying/feeling everything that he's put out but just show some appreciation for the man and the tracks that you do like instead of getting butthurt over the ones that don't satisfy you

revolutions is the fucking business, straight mystikz vibe on that.. whoever said this release is a 'scar' on the dmz label is chatting shit

A lot of breeze in this thread.

Coki can put out whatever he wants, he's earned that much. Personally I haven't felt any of his tunes for a long, long, long time. But then, I don't have to hear them. So it's nay bother.

did anyones copy come with missing labels? my haymaker side has no label

grillis wrote:did anyones copy come with missing labels? my haymaker side has no label

My copy is whitez

bass_culture wrote:

grillis wrote:did anyones copy come with missing labels? my haymaker side has no label

My copy is whitez

And mine

Both of these tunes are nuts, revolution has the dubby vibes and haymaker is just straight killer.

Phigure wrote:I hate to argue and pollute a thread like this with garbage, but I just need to set some things straight with corny...

epochalypso wrote:^You're a tool. Coki said himself he doesn't go out of his way to write amazing pieces of music, he writes dubplates. Dubplates that he cuts to play on big fucking systems to wreck the dance. And they end up getting released because people love them.
It's not "rimming", a lot of people genuinely enjoy his music, and this being dubstepforum, a lot of those people post on here. Is that such a difficult concept?
You're complaining about people bigging up a producer on a forum? You're a dickhead mate.
If you don't like it, jog on.

Cornbreadddd wrote:You are so,fucking, stupid. Not even talking about Coki man, typically people read words. Words form sentences, sentences form complete thoughts, and then collectively this whole structure enables humans to communicate.. Above I utilized this apparently incredibly difficult concept (for people such as yourself) to express my feelings

Cornbread, you're a douche and maybe one day you'll realize it.

You act all snooty and intelligent, and then you just pull nonsense out of your ass like these nuggets of wisdom:

Cornbreadddd wrote:Disko Rekah was ground-breaking for sure, Mud, Ruffage too. The man has tunes, but I feel like some people straight up idolize the guy on this forum.

Like pulkpull said, Disko Rekah wasn't innovating in any way. Sick tune, don't get me wrong, but I can totally understand why Loefah wasn't happy with it, because it's a pretty standard dubstep tune of the times. How can you even say it was ground breaking when you weren't even into the music in 07? There's nothing wrong with being a little late to the party but don't act like an expert ffs

Just like I said in a previous post I simply got my tunes mixed up, obviously Disko Rekah came out at a later time when the boundaries had already been pushed and tunes in that style weren't as ground breaking as Horror Show or Ruffage were at their time of production. Apparently you too have fallen victim to poor elementary reading teachers as is evident by your blatant disregard for my acknowledgement of my previously incorrect statement in a previous post. Bravo champ, you're on the way to success.

Maybe you should read the quote in my sig... if Mala is just like Loefah in that regard, does that mean he's no longer your king lololol I guess you don't know about the ridiculous amounts of Mala tunes that will probably never see the light of day? He's actually got a lot more dubs than Loe... Time and time again, you just expose how clueless you really are.

Once again the fact that I have to explain this again is really pitiful and shows your grossly infantile amount of common sense and attention. How could anyone be so ardent in arguing with someone when they are completely ignorant to what has already been stated and resolved? I already said in a previous post in this thread, that, I feel that Mala is the king of the DMZ trio as in production and sound. Nothing to do with the fact that he has a lot of dubplates, I realize he has more dubplates than anyone else in DMZ, but what does that have to do with anything? Did I ever say that I thought Mala was the king because he has fewer dubplates? No you dumb fuck, I didn't. The point you've made is completely irrelevant to what I'm stating. Time and time again, you just expose how clueless you really are

Cornbreadddd wrote:This is a total cop-out. Good music is good music and shouldn't be relative to location. Just because you're out around other people in a building that isn't your house, doesn't mean the music has to be crazy and that you can't vibe out on something less chaotic. A party atmosphere doesn't always have to be an aggressive atmosphere.

Man, if you had even an inkling of a clue of what it's really all about, you wouldn't be saying this. The fact that you think it simply boils down to "location". Just goes to show that you've never really had a true experience, because it's such a radically different thing than sitting at home and listening to it. There's really no way to explain it. The music takes on a completely different form... part of it is a shift from listening -> feeling, but it's so much more complex than that. Like Raad said, it's all about context... The context, the vibe, the system, the people, the emotion, everything plays together in a beautiful way to produce something very unique. It's really an amazing phenomenon - at the risk of sounding a bit preachy and pretentious. One day you might finally get to experience it yourself, and it'll click in your head, and you'll realize what we're talking about. Then again, maybe you will never get it. That's alright too, you're a different type of person, but maybe you should look into a different genre of music then, because this idea is central to the genre IMO.

"Good" music isn't objective like you're trying to argue it is. Sort of like how there's music to listen to when you're drifting off to sleep vs. music you're going to listen to when you're at a party... There's music for listening to at home, and music meant to be listened to on a system.

Sure, some music might be better in some circumstances, like you said, soft ambient music for drifting off to sleep. However it's still good music. Good music isn't relative to the location where it's played. By your logic, listening to an amazing ambient, soft, chilled out tune at a party makes it a bad tune. But if it's played while sleeping, it some how magically transforms into a good tune. Good music is good music where ever it's played. Though it might not fit the setting very well, it's still, good music. Music stands alone, you make it seem like whenever I listen to an aggressive tune in a chilled out area, all of a sudden all the notes of the tune change and the melodies change, drum patterns get changed....no...it's the same thing, just in a different place.

when coki drops tunes like haymaker in the dance it go's off...

Nothing but love for this plate

Does revolution remind anyone of glen quagmire?

goo giggedy goo giggedy goo giggedy goo000

Anjin wrote:Nothing but love for this plate

Does revolution remind anyone of glen quagmire?

goo giggedy goo giggedy goo giggedy goo000

I still can't understand why Coki released Think Your Gone and Lower Octave before these gems and Marduk... big tunes

Maccaveli wrote:I still can't understand why Coki released Think Your Gone and Lower Octave before these gems and Marduk... big tunes

Lower Octave is a fucking banger!

dsprainman wrote:

Maccaveli wrote:I still can't understand why Coki released Think Your Gone and Lower Octave before these gems and Marduk... big tunes

Lower Octave is a fucking banger!

lower octave does hit pretty damn hard. think your gone though has got to be the worst of his recent releases though, hate that tune...

Revolution is growing on me too. Cheeky tune that.

Wait, cornbread aren't you underage? Sorry if I've got you confused with someone else, but have you ever been to a proper night with a proper system?
Because hearing particular tunes on a system DOES make them better. Undoubtably,

Case in point:


This tune tickles parts of you when played on a system that I didn't even know existed. Almost pointless having it on youtube at all imo, though you can use your imagination after you've experienced it on a rig.
It is NOT the same thing. Atmosphere of the night itself aside, the music becomes physical.
big up the speaker stack huggers

epochalypso wrote:Revolution is growing on me too. Cheeky tune that.

Wait, cornbread aren't you underage? Sorry if I've got you confused with someone else, but have you ever been to a proper night with a proper system?
Because hearing particular tunes on a system DOES make them better. Undoubtably,

Case in point:


This tune tickles parts of you when played on a system that I didn't even know existed. Almost pointless having it on youtube at all imo, though you can use your imagination after you've experienced it on a rig.
It is NOT the same thing. Atmosphere of the night itself aside, the music becomes physical.
big up the speaker stack huggers

That's funny you mention that tune. I've seen so many people rim this tune so hard, but I never understood why, it's probably one of my least favorite Kromestar dubs ever, it's just annoying and cheesy. Never been to a dance or anything like that because there are absolutely none within a 400 mile radius. However, I do have a really nice system in my car, but I'm sure it doesn't compare to those that you would hear at a live show.

Cornbreadddd wrote:

epochalypso wrote:Revolution is growing on me too. Cheeky tune that.

Wait, cornbread aren't you underage? Sorry if I've got you confused with someone else, but have you ever been to a proper night with a proper system?
Because hearing particular tunes on a system DOES make them better. Undoubtably,

Case in point:


This tune tickles parts of you when played on a system that I didn't even know existed. Almost pointless having it on youtube at all imo, though you can use your imagination after you've experienced it on a rig.
It is NOT the same thing. Atmosphere of the night itself aside, the music becomes physical.
big up the speaker stack huggers

That's funny you mention that tune. I've seen so many people rim this tune so hard, but I never understood why, it's probably one of my least favorite Kromestar dubs ever, it's just annoying and cheesy. Never been to a dance or anything like that because there are absolutely none within a 400 mile radius. However, I do have a really nice system in my car, but I'm sure it doesn't compare to those that you would hear at a live show.

I used to think the same about Brixton Bass, but a rig turns it into a completely different beast. A decent car system is good but it's still just a stereo with subs.. a heavy system makes the ground itself shake. It's hard to explain I guess..

And Lion's Theme is not cheesy, it is terrifying on a 50k