Dubstepforum.com

contraband wrote:


So you have not heard of Martyn or Breakage? They are still rolling out original, vibing DnB - and they've bought this talent to Dubstep.

Not to mention some of the most obvious jump up/dnb influenced dubstep tunes are be these 'godfathers' or 'originators' of dubstep itself!

no, i know. Look im not referring to any producers, those guys are great, I'm not even dissing jump up outright. a lot of it is sick. jumping up and down is fun. My issue is with the mentality of the audience.

Dubstep was mercifully free of that pubscent DOA arrogance a few years ago, but its crept in now. Coming onto this forum blatantly dissing the originators with personal insults, you don't do that. If they did just convert dnb a short while ago, then that makes their attitude all the more foul.

anyway this discussion isnt much fun is it. im going to try being more positive. benga skream juju coki are wicked. umkhonto is a stand up guy. this forum rocks.

daddek wrote:umkhonto is a stand up guy.

thanks, much appreciated.

vxd1 wrote:No that's not any more true for me than it is for Loefah or Kode9. Yeh Rols and I loved metalheadz & fullcycle, but I was always more in hip hop, and roly quickly moved out of jungle and into dub. D&B stopped for me around 2001, earlier maybe.

Ah shit, well that's my foot in my mouth then. I thought I read somewhere in an interview that you were trying your hand at dnb before you hooked up with Roly and slowed things down.

I hope that the kids who are into whatever next sound there is are not all "those dubstep heads aren't allowed to make these beats" about it...
Diversity is king.

i'm a dnb producer and now make dubstepz as well

why not check out my stuff www.myspace.com/suicidedub

''oh no you didin't''
''oh i think i did''

progression people. new directions, new sounds, new energy.

you can only recycle ideas so much before you sound like you're stuck in 1994...

Parson wrote:new ideas like sampling world music?

LOL. ziiiing!

well, all comers are welcome, the more the merrier.

however..

drum and bass artists didn't do much good for their own scene, so watch out..

sell-out, egotism, generic beats, commercialism.

we've seen it all before.

hopefully not again.

N/A

lets not forget that certain sub genres wouldnt exist today if it wasnt for evolution. dubstep--yeah its definitely fresh to a degree but its quite clearly just shit loads of other genres chucked into one package. labeling stuff just makes it alot worse. like someone else said, if its good music then theres no problem. dont judge a book by its front cover....or back catalog

high rankin wrote:i'm a dnb producer and now make dubstepz as well

why not check out my stuff www.myspace.com/suicidedub

''oh no you didin't''
''oh i think i did''

hahaha

big tunes too

seckle wrote:progression people. new directions, new sounds, new energy.

you can only recycle ideas so much before you sound like you're stuck in 1994...

Thats why I don't make dnb anymore

I don't think anyone is looking to cash in on dubstep. How much dough can you possibly make from this shit? I do it for fun. In a sense I guess I want to cash in on the fun aspect. Cuz dnb isn't fun anymore.

I didn't bother reading the whole 5 pages of this, but my view is I don't care what scene you came from as long as it's innovative and sounds good, and you don't bring any bad DNB vibes with you. hahaha

What about this quotient:

Tayla - Bang The Drums/Remnants 12" - Good Looking Records 002 , 1993

Does anyone own this? I do. And i'm proud to own it. Its the second release in the GLR catalogue. O.G biznez, agreed?

Remnants, the track made 14 years ago. If you play in on 33rpm, it is by all means a skippy dubstep tune, a full on 2step garage break before the term was even used.

Manipulation, timestretching, and production tricks have always transformed breaks into what we hear today. So, by default, if you own the record, by mearly playing the early Tayla tune at the wrong speed, you have essentially created your own dubstep track, originally produced from a early jungle tune made 14 years ago.

At end of the day, the music comes from the same source. And i'm suprised people here still debate which aspect of this music and its roots has more merrit.

Nobody here has mentioned names like Jonny L, Dj Hype, and his Naughty label, Zinc, Remarc, Steve Gurley from Rogue Unit, Hospital Recordings and their interest in breakbeat of all bpms from over the years, including releases and collabs with peeps like Zed Bias - Daluq, Phuturistix, et all., and soo many more jungle/dnb producers who have always been involved in garage from the early days. The Suburban Base catalouge was hugely sampled to death in speed garage tracks. Another example. TODD TERRY, a pioneer of garage house music, produced a dnb album. We can go on and on here.

So who's to say, which came first, let alone which aspect has more merrit? Its a stupid arguement. Let alone to claim supremacy of the "dubstep" sound.

Pfft. Whateva.

it's not a "supremacy" contest. it never was. it never will be. this is music we're talking about.

it's not a fucking battle to the finish line or something.

I know, but to even make the the inference in a thread that "dnb producers" are coming from outside of dubstep, its kind of the other way around in places, if you go back, as referenced in some of the examples i mentioned. Like i said, if you know the roots of the music, this would be a non-issue. That's all i'm sayin.


The roots really are all the same.

haha wrong thread

^ heh

seckle wrote: i think the biggest problem with this migration from the dnb world is that most of these producers are too focused on building beats to a big drop and miss the point entirely. dubstep is vibes. i'll say that again, it's vibessss. it's getting lost in the beats and bass.

this stop-start-stop-buildup-drop-start dnb thing is great, but it's not whats at the foundations of this sound.

yh definately. i was out on friday an heard a set of purely jump up (minus desperado) dnb. just felt so monotonous n boring, so yh really couldnt see many of these 'jump up' styled producers making anything progressive. just bringing the same formula again and again. though from what ive seen its been much more orignal dnb producers crossing over. martyn/breakage/frac & neptune and twisted invd etc, and minus the last they are all quality producers so seems like the cream of the crop has been moving into dubstep which can only be a great thing but thats all just IMO. but dont big wobbblers like rusko's cokney thug seem like big drop dnb styled tunes transformed into dubstep.
i heard naphtas might be making some dubstep whcih would be nieeeeecceeee

+TORMENT+ wrote:but to even make the the inference in a thread that "dnb producers" are coming from outside of dubstep,

dnb came before dubstep

dnb producers are starting to make dubstep

dubstep is not slowed down dnb....yet

dubstep is not an experiment in breakbeat....yet

jonny L, Hospital, dj Hype, Todd Terry etc do not make dubstep.....yet

dubstepforum.com is not DOA....yet

dnb shares with dubstep some roots but dubsteps ends haven't split....yet