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wormcode wrote:don't have to limit ourselves to just 1 ism.

fuck yeah ... we can have sexism, racism and homophobism

wormcode wrote:Haha
Well I don't consider myself communist, I'm more into anarchism - specifically social anarchism, with some hints of syndicalism as I'm not against people's choice to work if they want (as in not just to pay off debt or increase GDP). I just think it would be best to work with and for the benefit of everyone as a whole. Again ideal utopias etc...
I think each ideology has its good features and we can learn and borrow from most of them, don't have to limit ourselves to just 1 ism.

Yeah, I consider myself more of an anarchist than anything, but I usually just say libertarian socialist to like family and stuff....sounds less provocative. And my parents think anarchists are terrorists so yeah. Ik it's not anarchist, but I support SPUSA because they're anti capitalist and I have more in common with them than any other party. Torn though between Stewart Alexander and Jill Stein. Not that it really matters, but I'd like to vote for one of them.

It's all about Kropotkin


Sorry for that rambling, off topic post.

tyger wrote:

wormcode wrote:don't have to limit ourselves to just 1 ism.

fuck yeah ... we can have sexism, racism and homophobism

You left out where I said from most of them. Obviously not including those

And yeah SCope13 I agree, I like Stewart Alexander's ideals but realistically no one has ever heard of those people, or most independent/3rd party candidates which is sad. Lots of people don't even really know it goes past Dem/Repub.

imo communist isn't an inaccurate description for any left anarchist

only issue is anarchism tends to be an ahistorical ethical position, whereas marxism is actually a tool for critical analysis. the issue is with marxism as a grand narrative, which is why i wouldn't say i was a marxist either, but there is loads of heterodox marxism where that isn't the case i dont think

dubfordessert wrote:imo communist isn't an inaccurate description for any left anarchist

only issue is anarchism tends to be an ahistorical ethical position, whereas marxism is actually a tool for critical analysis. the issue is with marxism as a grand narrative, which is why i wouldn't say i was a marxist either, but there is loads of heterodox marxism where that isn't the case i dont think

OP, just say this to your dad and he will leave you to play your video games in peace.

oops i meant *is not isn't

dubfordessert wrote:imo communist isn't an inaccurate description for any left anarchist

only issue is anarchism tends to be an ahistorical ethical position, whereas marxism is actually a tool for critical analysis. the issue is with marxism as a grand narrative, which is why i wouldn't say i was a marxist either, but there is loads of heterodox marxism where that isn't the case i dont think

anarchism and communism attempt to achieve the same society, they just have different strategies for getting there.

SCope13 wrote:

dubfordessert wrote:imo communist isn't an inaccurate description for any left anarchist

only issue is anarchism tends to be an ahistorical ethical position, whereas marxism is actually a tool for critical analysis. the issue is with marxism as a grand narrative, which is why i wouldn't say i was a marxist either, but there is loads of heterodox marxism where that isn't the case i dont think

anarchism and communism attempt to achieve the same society, they just have different strategies for getting there.

there are an absolute multitude of strategies within and between both. i don't think it's v useful to talk about*those* words as mutually exclusive particularities. wherein they differ, imo, is the theory, and the philosophy, rather than strategy (which is different itself from practice). they've informed and worked with each other, but marxist theory informs anarchism moreso than anything, i would say. i think a lot of anarchists are more action-oriented than anything also.

also i actually did mean isn't, it says inaccurate. nice double negative ffs.

wormcode wrote:

tyger wrote:

wormcode wrote:don't have to limit ourselves to just 1 ism.

fuck yeah ... we can have sexism, racism and homophobism

You left out where I said from most of them. Obviously not including those

just trolling ... disappointed nobody complained that "homophobism" isn't a word ...

anarchism is perhaps most generally an attitude towards power ... regarding state power with the same kind of suspicion and distaste as one would any other use of force ... instead of, as most political theorists would, regarding certain kinds of state as legitimate, and giving them a kind of moral "free pass" ...

proudhon's version of anarchism looks more like an alternative to communism ... communism aims at joint ownership of the means of production, proudhon wants nobody to own the means of production (and for there to be no landlords) so that the everything that is produced will belong to the workers who've produced it ...

There are a lot of similarities yeah. That and to expand on the Proudhon bit, being against ideas of private property in regards to land ownership, but generally accepting personal property in regards to every day possessions. Like: okay, you don't want someone to use your toothbrush, fair play. But you're going to own this overpriced building with 100 rooms that have been empty for a year? That's a total waste. It's much more community based with ties to mutualism (social anarchism anyway, which is what I meant). There is also more right-leaning anarchism that a lot of those tea party people would fit in with, but is pretty polar opposite in most things.

Also I've actually seen 'homophobism' used as a word online a lot, it might be one of those pesky Americanisms.

This thread has devolved horribly.

Electric_Head wrote:This thread has devolved horribly.

go back to germany

2 hands bro

Electric_Head wrote:2 hands bro

Bottom right, cool dude

Hitler. Are we done here?

There's no Hitler anywhere.

Electric_Head wrote:2 hands bro

wtf is that symbol? It's like a 3 armed schwasticker.

http://awb.co.za/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afrikaner_ ... dsbeweging

'The AWB flag is composed of three black sevens (forming a triskelion) in a white circle upon a red background. According to AWB, the sevens, 'the number of JAHWEH', 'stand to oppose the number 666, the number of the anti-Christ'. Red is considered to represent Jesus' blood, while black stands for bravery and courage. The inner white circle symbolises the "eternal struggle", or according to other sources "eternal life". '

Eugène Terre'Blanche aye....

i knew that symbol looked familiar.