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grimsin wrote:i think i saw it on music radar or something but apparently Fl studio is the number one rated daw, which strikes me as odd considering ableton is the industry standards. I love FL studio i started this post over rumors that i didnt believe were true and now i know the truth FL studio kicks ass! period!

guess what the most pirated DAW is.....

idontreallygiveashit wrote:lmao have fun with your shitty toy DAW, just too lazy to learn a real DAW i guess , so insecure about your choice of DAW and you have a reason to be

again i love Fl and i would give ableton a try but every time i download the trial just to have a look see it fucks up so ill stick within my bubble and maybe one day ableton will enter its way back into my computer and actually work, @ehbrums1 actually my first copy of FL was pirated but it lagged really bad and crashed alot and probably bugged my old pc but its whatever i got a taste of what its like and i saved up and bought it. Honestly i think if it wasnt for the pirated version being available i wouldnt be where i am now, i wouldnt have ever invested the money into something i didnt know anything about.

grimsin wrote:

idontreallygiveashit wrote:lmao have fun with your shitty toy DAW, just too lazy to learn a real DAW i guess , so insecure about your choice of DAW and you have a reason to be

again i love Fl and i would give ableton a try but every time i download the trial just to have a look see it fucks up so ill stick within my bubble and maybe one day ableton will enter its way back into my computer and actually work, @ehbrums1 actually my first copy of FL was pirated but it lagged really bad and crashed alot and probably bugged my old pc but its whatever i got a taste of what its like and i saved up and bought it. Honestly i think if it wasnt for the pirated version being available i wouldnt be where i am now, i wouldnt have ever invested the money into something i didnt know anything about.

I originally got my version pirated, then I bought it so could upgrade it and what not. Same with NI's stuff, I got massive and FM8 pirated, which led me to purchasing komplete 8. I don't see how pirating is really that bad.

Its bad because the company looses money....obviously, but again if it wasn't for pirating i would have never fallin in love with FL studio. I don't pirate anymore because i have convinced myself its wrong (except with music) but i resist the urge every day to not pirate massive, or z3ta

grimsin wrote:ableton is the industry standards

Internet gold.

Omg.....

nowaysj wrote:

grimsin wrote:ableton is the industry standards

Internet gold.

edit: forget my only smiley post...

JBE wrote:I'm glad these threads don't pop up as often as they did just a couple years ago. I think the majority of the responses will always be the same so there's no point in repeating it.

As much as I love FL I do wish it came with some better plugins. Some of them are great, and IL is doing a great job improving them, but there are some that just seem redundant or just not up to par with even some free plugins I use. That's probably the one complaint I have against it. After demoing many of the other DAWs out there the VSTs that come with them just seem to be superior. There's almost no need to go outside of the box for a lot of them.

That's mostly because they shot themselves in the foot with their 'free upgrades for life' strategy, so they have to rely on selling people repackaged/redundant plugins. It's also less incentive for them to actually make major updates which is a shame. I'm sure loads of users would gladly pay a fee for an optional major update, especially of the mixer and interface. That damn interface needs a major facelift and the mixer is way too tiny on modern screens that run 1080p+.

wormcode wrote:the mixer is way too tiny on modern screens that run 1080p+.

Really? I think it's fine.

wormcode wrote: It's also less incentive for them to actually make major updates which is a shame.

FL 11 will have peformance mode, which is similar to ableton's session view. It will also have compatibility with a heap more midi controllers including machine, launchpad and apc20/40. How is that not a major update?

Sure_Fire wrote:

wormcode wrote: It's also less incentive for them to actually make major updates which is a shame.

FL 11 will have peformance mode, which is similar to ableton's session view. It will also have compatibility with a heap more midi controllers including machine, launchpad and apc20/40. How is that not a major update?

Ehh because it's not? I used FL live about 4 years ago, it has had Live Mode for years. I've seen the 'performance mode' videos, and it's cool they are focusing on that again, but it's not new.
MIDI controller support is not major or hard to implement really. Perhaps in Delphi it is though... like the workarounds they had to come up with to finally implement audio sequencing support. But MIDI is MIDI, you could always use any MIDI controller in any DAW you want.

@mthrfnk I still think it's way too small. I'd like for the mixer to be able to take up my entire second monitor like most DAWs can.

wormcode wrote:

Sure_Fire wrote:

wormcode wrote: It's also less incentive for them to actually make major updates which is a shame.

FL 11 will have peformance mode, which is similar to ableton's session view. It will also have compatibility with a heap more midi controllers including machine, launchpad and apc20/40. How is that not a major update?

Ehh because it's not? I used FL live about 4 years ago, it has had Live Mode for years. I've seen the 'performance mode' videos, and it's cool they are focusing on that again, but it's not new.
MIDI controller support is not major or hard to implement really. Perhaps in Delphi it is though... like the workarounds they had to come up with to finally implement audio sequencing support. But MIDI is MIDI, you could always use any MIDI controller in any DAW you want.

@mthrfnk I still think it's way too small. I'd like for the mixer to be able to take up my entire second monitor like most DAWs can.

Hmm that would be cool... the one thing I dislike is the overall grey colour scheme, I like Abletons lighter interface.

^ Yeah it could also be down to mixing style really. I come from hardware, and in any DAW I use the mixer as an instrument itself so I am constantly riding faders and using the mixer with outboard controllers/gear. I have to constantly sit up and look close at the buttons and text. I use a 3rd party magnifying program to help zoom in (with Reason as well, which sucks on large screens), but it introduces an issue of aliasing.

wormcode wrote:^ Yeah it could also be down to mixing style really. I come from hardware, and in any DAW I use the mixer as an instrument itself so I am constantly riding faders and using the mixer with outboard controllers/gear. I have to constantly sit up and look close at the buttons and text. I use a 3rd party magnifying program to help zoom in (with Reason as well, which sucks on large screens), but it introduces an issue of aliasing.

Do you use the "wide tracks" option?

wormcode wrote:^ Yeah it could also be down to mixing style really. I come from hardware, and in any DAW I use the mixer as an instrument itself so I am constantly riding faders and using the mixer with outboard controllers/gear. I have to constantly sit up and look close at the buttons and text. I use a 3rd party magnifying program to help zoom in (with Reason as well, which sucks on large screens), but it introduces an issue of aliasing.

have you upgraded reason to version 6? its fullscreen now

I'm using a laptop so for the mixer is a great size. Although I have to say, my band just did the final mixdown of our album in pro tools, and for that kinda stuff having a large mixer on an independant screen is freakin awesome. So useful.

@wormcode - Live mode you say? I never knew FL had any kind of live mode. I searched the contents for it but couldn't find it?

wormcode wrote:^ Yeah it could also be down to mixing style really. I come from hardware, and in any DAW I use the mixer as an instrument itself so I am constantly riding faders and using the mixer with outboard controllers/gear. I have to constantly sit up and look close at the buttons and text. I use a 3rd party magnifying program to help zoom in (with Reason as well, which sucks on large screens), but it introduces an issue of aliasing.

ok what? you use your mixier as an instrument? Call me amateur but wow im gonna have to look into this, also i have never done a live performance dont know if i could honestly my stuff is mostly at home productions, so the performance part isnt really an issue, but my monitor is a tv so vision isnt an issue

ehbrums1 wrote:have you upgraded reason to version 6? its fullscreen now

Nope, I haven't used Reason since 1.0, but last year I started messing with it again at a friend's place and really enjoyed the synths it comes with. I will eventually get Reason 6 I'm sure, but the price and the 'Ignition Key' dongle has made me wait. I already have to deal with Cubase dongles, and I'm not really a big fan of them so it's not on the top of my list of software to buy right now.

@ Sure_Fire, on FL versions dating back to at least FL6 you could select 'Live Mode' in the playlist options which let you use it in a performance type fashion. It's great they are starting to expand on that though, and I do expect it will become popular, but the basic live features have been around since before Ableton Live was popular for sure.

@grimsin Well, it's just an old school way of mixing. If you search here for 'dub mixing' (60s dub) you will find the info. It's basically where you're constantly changing levels/faders on the mixer live. On a DAW in the digital realm, it's all recorded as automation. Basically just live tweaks and edits of the faders/effects levels over the whole track as it plays out, rather than programming them in one by one.

i know how it works, but i have never tried it i usually i just use my nobs for recording i guess its the same concept but im not that good at it, but its probably like drum pads takes practice. I just got my first midi like a couple of months ago so i havent quite mastered it yet.

Imo to play a mixer you need all controls available at all times, to all of your fingers. Playing a virtual mixer, for me, would require full parity in a hardware midi controller of volume, mutes, solos, and sends. Otherwise, that tiny mixer remains one of the bonuses of using fl. I really don't want to dedicate a whole monitor to a mixer that I can only interface with one point of control (mouse).

Some people just want that big mixer though. I hope they keep that small one as an option though.

Also, IL are a business, and have to remain profitable, but I know the FL team are motivated by pride in their work (just maybe haunted by some early decisions).