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Mad EP wrote:

FAARE FACED wrote:Why do you guys argue about the definition of "pro" when the OP clearly was refering to this as "decent skill to be able to produce and release music that won't sound trash technically compared to other guys".

because that is the definition of being a pro(fessional). Being paid for a skill.

Many people confuse 'pro' with being 'good' - as perhaps, did the OP. However, it is a term that is worth using correctly.

No shit sherlock. Wow. It's pretty interesting, you try to be a smartass, arguing on the exact definitions and shit.

Of course being pro is about money, but I don't believe the OP was concerned about that. I may have misinterpreted what the OP wanted, but I think it's not to have 10 robots repeating the definition they just copy pasted from thefreedictionnary.
The essence of a forum is discussing, sometimes on subjects we don't have the same opinion on, for example "how long would it take to sound really good as a producer".
For sure it's not to feel powerful, scratching your balls and taking questions word by word, but in the end completely missing the purpose of them.

^ Actually u interpreted what i wanted more accurately than most of the repliers. I did like the differences in opinions and understandings though. Good insight.

BudSpencertron wrote:measure your dick in good old cm and divide the number by three

for once my penis puts me at an advantage!

BudSpencertron wrote:measure your dick in good old cm and divide the number by three

Nah you need to measure it in yards and multiply it by π.

wub wrote:

skimpi wrote:Has anyone here heard of south london ordnance? he makes bass/techno stuff (whatever) but the point is, Im sure he had been producing summat like 9 months before he got his first release or got summat signed for release, and stuff being played by MAH etc. I dunno how long he has been producing now, but its got to be under 2 years, he has something coming on Hotflush, had stuff on Teal, Well Rounded, 2nd Drop, Audio Culture and maybe some more I dunno. So I dont think it really matter how long it 'can' take to be a pro, cos it can happen just like that. Actually I think that Pariah's first release on R&S were his first tunes he made.

There's an interview with him where he discusses this here;

http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.p ... h#p3014006

Just read through this article. Sounds like he's an example of the producer with natural talent, and the ability to put in hard work. Perhaps explains why he got signed so quickly.

koncide wrote:Sounds like he's an example of the producer with natural talent, and the ability to put in hard work. Perhaps explains why he got signed so quickly.

Well yeah...though that is kind of a given IMO. If you are good at something and work hard you are more likely to see success, goes for anything really.

wub wrote:

koncide wrote:Sounds like he's an example of the producer with natural talent, and the ability to put in hard work. Perhaps explains why he got signed so quickly.

Well yeah...though that is kind of a given IMO. If you are good at something and work hard you are more likely to see success, goes for anything really.

True, but I know from experience people with talent, and who work very hard, who see just limited success.

I'd say luck is just as important as well.

Why I had "more likely" in my previous comment. Nothing is certain...in a similar vein, there are probably plenty of producers who have made it big despite not trying/having any real talent but were in the right place at the right time.

wub wrote:Why I had "more likely" in my previous comment. Nothing is certain...in a similar vein, there are probably plenty of producers who have made it big despite not trying/having any real talent but were in the right place at the right time.

Agreed.

A important factor is you're approach. If you have the apporoach that you'd like to learn everything related to music, then it's gonna take forever. It's important to not be afraid of presets and simplicity.
AND ALSO, a bit of money allways helpls

The way I see it, you always learn stuff and never stop learning. You can always try new areas of music, genres, styles, ect...
I would say, once you are proud of your song's and aren't shy of playing them to others you can consider yourself good enough, I don't think anyone thinks of themself as a pro.

Another thing I've realized recently, (Atleast for me) Is that some people are naturally talented in a genre/style of music, so experiment!
I have been playing the piano for 7 something years, and since I started producing I wanted to integrate my piano into my music - problem was I was trying to produce Brostep, wich rarely ever uses piano and only in the intro if that.
A year later, I have been making deep, chill vibes with piano and it all comes naturally to me - It's the best feeling ever
No, I don't think my songs are good, but I sure feel they are more natural than my other songs.

So try multiple genres, and listen to alot of music

WTF have these last few comments got to do with being pro?

Money & presets = pro.


Obv.

Apparently

Also, I think it's important to mention that if you know pro's, your journey to becoming one will be shortened by quite a considerable amount. Unless you're just thick haha