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Battle Gong wrote: yeah, just being a moody tnuc. but its irritating to ask a serious question then see it swamped by trivia, never to be answered. tho this was by no means the worst case i seen.

anyway. thanks 4 advice.

all good mate i understand your point too

i'm playing around with the idea of making a switch to logic on a nice shiny mac rather than cubase and my windows pc.....

how do the two compare? whats audio sequencing like in logic- anyone got experience of using logic and cubase? and can it use VST plugins?

also- does logic come with a sampler plugin?


i hate microsoft, i want out

Yes, Logic comes with the EXS24 sampler. And a Megaton of samples - something like 40GB including Jam Packs.

Logic can use VSTs with a 'wrapper' but the standard for Apple's Logic is called Audio Units (which practically all audio software developers support)

logic doesnt work with VST, but with AU (audio unit) plug ins. There r some real nice ones available, even free, but as much as I love logic I got 2 say its frustrating checking sites like KVR (a site that lists and links AU/VST plug ins) cos 19 out of 20 of the free ones are only availabe for PC.

well happy with logic, but cant give any comparisson with other DAWs cos I only ever used cubase back in the atari st days.

i guess they all good really. but hating microsoft is a good enuf reason to switch, only the bigger mac gets the more likely it is we gonna start hating apple too. already seen plenty of people annoyed since emagic was bought by apple.

main reason i use mac is cos it industry standard for some of the other stuf i do. and cos microsoft is so ugly to look at. i couldnt deal with sitting infront of those disgusting graphics day after day

So erm.. yeah
been a few months now
and er very very happy that I made the switch to mac and Logic
that is all

You can wrap some VSTs into AUDIO UNITs using this:

http://www.fxpansion.com/index.php?page=5&tab=22

Take not of what it can and cannot wrap before shelling out for it, though...



I've happily wrapped a bunch of things with it, but I'm finding more and more things are released as AUs these days, especially the more upscale plugs.

iv had my mac for a few months now,really like logic studio, had no trouble with plug ins ect.
i got a few questions if anyone knows.....

how do i split ultra beat so each sample is on a seperate track

i got a bass line layed out, but im havin trouble gettin it to sound right, i mean like the depth ect, i add compression an it goes from soundin to weak to soundin to distorted
what kinda effects work well with bass to get it to stand out without to much distortion ect,i mean im doin it all by ear,i dont really know what level the bass line shud be at roughly?
sorry if this been asked befor

Dabwa, on your master channel open Logic's Analyser under Helper or Special effects (can't remember which one). This will give you a good look at what your bassline is doing (particularly if you solo the track) and what each effect is doing. It will also give you an idea of where your levels are getting up to.

Use EQ to shave off parts of the bass that you don't need. For instance, if it's a sub, you don't need much going on above 100Hz so use EQ plug to get rid of it...


I could go on but I wanna go home - been a long day!!![/list]

dabwa wrote: how do i split ultra beat so each sample is on a seperate track

when you insert Ultrabeat in to the channel - select the multi output version

when you have the UB interface open on the left hand side will be your samples - mute and solo and something that says 'main'

right click on main and you can choose to route the output of each sample to either a stereo or mono aux channel.

at the bottom of the UB channel in the mixer will be a '+' icon
click and you will have your answer.

re.. bass - what Osk said
however if it is not sub bass then layering is the key.

Escapee Planes wrote:Did you know you can now route a bus into another bus? That pretty cool.

I've been using 4.7 for years and you can do that on there. I dont see that as much of inovation. I know you cant do it on 7 light thought. I just assumed you could on 7 pro.

safe...this forums siik
thanks for the help!

metalboxproducts wrote:

Escapee Planes wrote:Did you know you can now route a bus into another bus? That pretty cool.

I've been using 4.7 for years and you can do that on there. I dont see that as much of inovation. I know you cant do it on 7 light thought. I just assumed you could on 7 pro.

definitely could in 7.2.

had a slow week last week and finally updated to logic studio from 7.2. improvements are tremendous, from the sound engine (wow... i take back my old ideas that all daw's sound the same. logic is the most focused-sounding environment i've ever heard... went back to check some old cubase projects, disabled plugs in both programs... differences were unbelievable), the updated and amazingly useful compressor, the better visual layout, etc. really, really digging it. they spent a lot of times on presets as well, and the whole channel-strip thing has really become a very fast way to work.

audio editing is faster and more precise.

overall really really happy w/ L8.

but holy SHIT does it take up a lot of space! you're seriously gonna need 45gb free to install it. i've got most of the samples/etc living on an external drive.

been using logic for 3 years now...still not happy with the digital ceiling and the sample accurate audio editing in 8 is still taken care of in a separate program. I still use it though. i might check out Cubase at some point

£118 for logic 8 with educational discount...that's insane, i'm so tempted to make the pc > mac switch with prices like that (shame i have barely any cash!)

what are the minimum system requrements for running logic 8? i mean, could i buy a second hand imac g4 or something and run it ok? or is that a bad idea, do a bit of saving up for a better machine?

paste from site

Mac computer with a 1.25GHz or faster PowerPC G4 processor (PowerPC G5, Intel Core Duo, or Intel Xeon processor highly recommended)
1GB of RAM (2GB or more highly recommended)
Display with 1024-by-768 resolution (1280-by-800 or higher recommended)
Mac OS X v10.4.9 or later
QuickTime 7.2 or later
DVD drive for installation
PCI Express, ExpressCard/34, USB, or FireWire based audio interface recommended
Additional recommendations for Logic Pro
At least 2GB of RAM for large EXS instruments
USB musical keyboard (or suitable MIDI keyboard and interface) for instruments


Im running it on a fairly swift macbook pro
2gig ram dual core intel 2.4Ghz

I would definately recommend an intel core 2 duo to be happy
However maby others can confirm lesser spec macs that work fine?

Tremourz wrote:been using logic for 3 years now...still not happy with the digital ceiling and the sample accurate audio editing in 8 is still taken care of in a separate program. I still use it though. i might check out Cubase at some point

The digital ceiling??!?? You shouldn't really be going over about -6dB in any program. If you're hitting zero and getting moody, you're doing it all wrong.

And 32 bit floating point means you can mash your busses, but your master fader can be dropped to bring things away from zero without loss of bits. This is a godsend if you've automated a bunch of track gains.

It's always best to edit samples in a separate program, unless you're doing time line things with vocals or instrumentation tracks. Peak Pro is nice enough.

Cubase?!??! Cubase is, quite frankly, arse.

two oh one wrote: The digital ceiling??!?? You shouldn't really be going over about -6dB in any program. If you're hitting zero and getting moody, you're doing it all wrong.

Yeah, one of the things that I've learned lately is that just trying to keep the levels hot during a mixdown is a bit pointless. Zero everything and then bring them up and add gain when mastering. Is not something that really occurs to you when you're learning if someone doesn't point it out.

Installed Leopard the other day. People keep telling me it eats memory hard.

Anyone had trouble with it?

Osk wrote:Installed Leopard the other day. People keep telling me it eats memory hard.

Anyone had trouble with it?

not heard anything concrete, but certainly trouble was expected. which is y i aint gonna b installing it for at least another 6months yet.

first release got2b buggy with logic, especially considering they seem2 have rushed this out to meet the (postponed) deadline they set themselves for release, no?

I just thought I'd throw this in, speaking from a prior Digital Performer and then Logic Express user:

I picked up Logic 8 and the Novation Zero SL (which has only recently updated to work better with Logic) and I am thrilled with the purchase.

Nothing is perfect, but I feel like I definitely got a lot of bang for my bucks.

I'm on Leopard, 2.0 ghz Intel Core Duo iMac w/ 2 gigs DDR2.

If I hiccup I'll just hook up the macbook Core Duo and run Logic Node.

I think it'll do