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djredi2step wrote:

dubunked wrote:no ones arguing that the genetically modified fish-tomatoes that you eat are going to invade your cells and give you cancer. but that doesn't mean they're good for you. i mean, cancer does happen. and while i don't know the specific processes for why GMOs could harm humans, i would think that ingesting genetically modified shit could lead to cancer. maybe it doesn't happen every single time you eat a GMO (well, obviously it doesn't happen every time, because then everyone would get cancer everyday), but maybe it happens in certain situations under certain circumstances? I don't really know.

Not to mention it could probably cause other diseases as well. My intuition tells me that, considering how fragile and how important DNA and genes are to your life, ingesting food that has been genetically fucked is probably not a good idea. From what I've heard/read, there haven't been enough studies to prove that GMOs are safe (or unsafe). Until then, I'm agnostic.

genetic material is broken down into mononucleotides by digestion when you eat.there is no possible way ingesting genetically modified food can affect your DNA. all DNA that you eat what your saying here is impossible and I don't think there is a shred of scientific evidence backing what you are saying. you are just guessing because 'DNA and genes are important and fragile'.

Even if the DNA was somehow absorbed into your cells (impossible because the molecule is too big and their are no cell membrane transporters known to transport DNA molecules) it wouldn't affect your DNA without the help of a retrovirus

see my first 2 sentences: no ones arguing that the genetically modified fish-tomatoes that you eat are going to invade your cells and give you cancer. but that doesn't mean they're good for you.

i don't doubt that GMO's could, in certain scenarios, in full or in part, lead to the development diseases, possibly including cancer. i specifically said that GMOs cannot invade your cells and start taking over your dna, but I think it is plausible to suspect that there might be some situations in which GMOs can lead to diseases, possibly including cancer.

again, this could all be changed if there was ample evidence to prove that GMOs are completely safe and do not lead, in full or in part, in certain scenarios or in all scenarios, to any diseases, including cancer. cancer DOES happen. it's extremely prevalent in our society. i don't think it's a stretch to suspect that GMOs might lead to it in some way. of course they don't just hop into your cells and start re-writing your dna, but i don't doubt there aren't other processes that exist that might allow GMOs to lead to cancer. maybe it could only happen in the presence of certain viruses? maybe they cause changes to your body that make you more susceptible to developing cancer through other means? i honestly don't know. i'm just saying that until there's ample evidence that they don't, and until monsanto stops acting like shady douchebags, i'm cautious of GMOs.

To be fair, there are enough non-GMO foodstuffs that can be linked to cancer. Almost everything you eat, drink or breath has some sort of link to either causing or preventing cancer according to someone.

Seems less a reason to be sceptical of GMO than of cancer research.

magma wrote:To be fair, there are enough non-GMO foodstuffs that can be linked to cancer. Almost everything you eat, drink or breath has some sort of link to either causing or preventing cancer according to someone.

Seems less a reason to be sceptical of GMO than of cancer research.

but mate, it's been PROVEN that people that consume food get cancer.

Birth causes death with astonishing reliability.

hmmm those ^ ^^ are both true
maybe the problem isn't with genetic engineering
maybe it's with the eating of food in general
and scientific research should be redirected towards
finding ways of us growing, re-energizing and reproducing
without the need for food or a digestive tract.
That could certainly eliminate oesophagal, stomach, bowel & rectal cancer.

Taking that further;
all cancer could be eliminated by eliminating body functions and the body itself.
The quickest way to do this would be to die.
Therefore we are best served by genetic engineering providing us with poisonous food.
So we should be worried that Monsanto isn't lying to us.

I think these last few comments have been really productive.

You should 100% be concerned about what you should eat. The west lie about bloody everything, and their lack of transparency just aids people's lack of trust with Monsanto. The food pyramid of what he should eat as a health diet - a lot of shit. How you gonna stick veg and grains as both equally important. The myth on saturated fact, bitch please!! The best example of this claim being bullshit is best explained with a personal example. I come from a asian family, I was born in the UK, but my family and the general ancestry are from India. In india, people did, and still do, eat pure saturated fat like eat a yogurt, spoonfuls of pure ghee (saturated fat, basically butter heated and thus intake the salt is removed) as part of their daily diet for 1000's of years. 12 hour on your feet working in a farm, or alike, you need that fat you keep you going, or you will not survive. My parents today and my grandparnters and theirs too, are well without heart conditions. The reason why asians are now considered unhealthy is because we started losing our tradition of generally eating what is a healthy diet for highly fried diet with nasty oils. So what does tell you? Don't believe anything told by your by a big company who's first aim is to make profit. Listen to your elderly who truly know what you eat and not eat.

Monsanto hide by their own lies and they have adviser in high positions to help them. Just like coke has people in high position to aid their advances of diet coke. A lot of big companies research is given by grants to organisations and universities and in there, in my humble opinion, lies the biggest conflict of interest - money is a great motivated. Alto, i did read that above that the GMO research was free research i think^^

There is conflicting evidence on the health impact of GMO, but for sure I don't want to eat that rubbish. 1. I don't what in it, 2. Monsanto values are more profit than health. 3. Any evidence they produce to aid GMO must be checked over and over. Don't take anything on far value. Coke say aspartame is 100% fine, and if you got diabetes diet coke is fine.

Stick to food your grand partners would eat. My grandmum is 86, walking, talking, moving all of it. A friend of my mum, 68, from India the most realist women i may have met. I told me she don't eat no bullshit, she don't eat bread, she doest even know what junk food is, she makes her own food, fish and veg a large part of her diet. Water and milk for drinking, and this is how she had been since she was a child. She does not have a single illness. Not even diabetes, by one would assume diabetes would have occurred. She works hard in the kictin for 8 hours a day. Unbelievable is an understatement. Sorry for any doughy mistakes.

Also, it's funny how government, ministers, the big company eat some of the riches diet. Organic or grass fed meat, and a side of organic or local veg, glass of clean filter water and apple for dessert, or maybe their chef made them a apple pie, from apples picked for a local london shop, rich milk, double creme and all that goodness. But in public they go GMO and rubbish food is fine, don't worry, just last night me and my wife Sarah cooked come GMO corn. and then we fed it to our dog.

Would not even dare to eat low in meat or produce.

First of all, anecdotal evidence =/= scientific evidence

Second, there are loads of GMOs being produced that don't come from Monsanto, some are even made by (gasp) non-profit organisations or institutions.
Can we please try and separate the debate about Monsanto and their shady business practices from the debate about benefits/risks of GMOs?

nitz wrote:The best example of this claim being bullshit is best explained with a personal example. .

err definitely not

What if there is a person from an indian family where every generation had heart troubles? Would that confirm the 'claim'? No it would just be an irrelevant anecdote.

dubunked wrote:

djredi2step wrote:

dubunked wrote:no ones arguing that the genetically modified fish-tomatoes that you eat are going to invade your cells and give you cancer. but that doesn't mean they're good for you. i mean, cancer does happen. and while i don't know the specific processes for why GMOs could harm humans, i would think that ingesting genetically modified shit could lead to cancer. maybe it doesn't happen every single time you eat a GMO (well, obviously it doesn't happen every time, because then everyone would get cancer everyday), but maybe it happens in certain situations under certain circumstances? I don't really know.

Not to mention it could probably cause other diseases as well. My intuition tells me that, considering how fragile and how important DNA and genes are to your life, ingesting food that has been genetically fucked is probably not a good idea. From what I've heard/read, there haven't been enough studies to prove that GMOs are safe (or unsafe). Until then, I'm agnostic.

genetic material is broken down into mononucleotides by digestion when you eat.there is no possible way ingesting genetically modified food can affect your DNA. all DNA that you eat what your saying here is impossible and I don't think there is a shred of scientific evidence backing what you are saying. you are just guessing because 'DNA and genes are important and fragile'.

Even if the DNA was somehow absorbed into your cells (impossible because the molecule is too big and their are no cell membrane transporters known to transport DNA molecules) it wouldn't affect your DNA without the help of a retrovirus

see my first 2 sentences: no ones arguing that the genetically modified fish-tomatoes that you eat are going to invade your cells and give you cancer. but that doesn't mean they're good for you.

i don't doubt that GMO's could, in certain scenarios, in full or in part, lead to the development diseases, possibly including cancer. i specifically said that GMOs cannot invade your cells and start taking over your dna, but I think it is plausible to suspect that there might be some situations in which GMOs can lead to diseases, possibly including cancer.

again, this could all be changed if there was ample evidence to prove that GMOs are completely safe and do not lead, in full or in part, in certain scenarios or in all scenarios, to any diseases, including cancer. cancer DOES happen. it's extremely prevalent in our society. i don't think it's a stretch to suspect that GMOs might lead to it in some way. of course they don't just hop into your cells and start re-writing your dna, but i don't doubt there aren't other processes that exist that might allow GMOs to lead to cancer. maybe it could only happen in the presence of certain viruses? maybe they cause changes to your body that make you more susceptible to developing cancer through other means? i honestly don't know. i'm just saying that until there's ample evidence that they don't, and until monsanto stops acting like shady douchebags, i'm cautious of GMOs.

FFS i think you need to look up what GMOs are, look up how cancer works and look up how digestion works .
cancer is caused by carcinogens which work by altering your DNA (explaining this very simply) in such a way that certain genes are promoted and others are not which leads to uncontrollable cell growth and replication.

Unless they have been genetically modified to contain a carcinogen they will not be be anymore likely to cause cancer than the 'natural' strain.

How would they cause changes in your body. you only need a basic knowledge of biology to see how GMOs are safe to eat.

m8son wrote:

nitz wrote:The best example of this claim being bullshit is best explained with a personal example. .

err definitely not

What if there is a person from an indian family where every generation had heart troubles? Would that confirm the 'claim'? No it would just be an irrelevant anecdote.

You don't have to use my family per say… Most families in india lived like, and some still very much do. Some family from the outside haves genetic which means that could be more prone toward a certain illness, but that dosnt not retract fro the statement.

Find the research on ghee, commission by india, I remember reading it some years ago, if you want all the glory scientific proof. But don't get too wrapped on scientific proof, not everything has to be proven by science. Science is and maybe always be one step behind. The whole Chinese med situation, came about from people knowing how to use herbs to fix certain problems. Yet, science has got not got around to all the proof work needed to endorse the herbs.

The facts on ghee is no funny story, Do the research, before jumping to conclusions.

Reese Liar wrote: Can we please try and separate the debate about Monsanto and their shady business practices from the debate about benefits/risks of GMOs?

Valid point

djredi2step wrote:

dubunked wrote:

djredi2step wrote:

dubunked wrote:no ones arguing that the genetically modified fish-tomatoes that you eat are going to invade your cells and give you cancer. but that doesn't mean they're good for you. i mean, cancer does happen. and while i don't know the specific processes for why GMOs could harm humans, i would think that ingesting genetically modified shit could lead to cancer. maybe it doesn't happen every single time you eat a GMO (well, obviously it doesn't happen every time, because then everyone would get cancer everyday), but maybe it happens in certain situations under certain circumstances? I don't really know.

Not to mention it could probably cause other diseases as well. My intuition tells me that, considering how fragile and how important DNA and genes are to your life, ingesting food that has been genetically fucked is probably not a good idea. From what I've heard/read, there haven't been enough studies to prove that GMOs are safe (or unsafe). Until then, I'm agnostic.

genetic material is broken down into mononucleotides by digestion when you eat.there is no possible way ingesting genetically modified food can affect your DNA. all DNA that you eat what your saying here is impossible and I don't think there is a shred of scientific evidence backing what you are saying. you are just guessing because 'DNA and genes are important and fragile'.

Even if the DNA was somehow absorbed into your cells (impossible because the molecule is too big and their are no cell membrane transporters known to transport DNA molecules) it wouldn't affect your DNA without the help of a retrovirus

see my first 2 sentences: no ones arguing that the genetically modified fish-tomatoes that you eat are going to invade your cells and give you cancer. but that doesn't mean they're good for you.

i don't doubt that GMO's could, in certain scenarios, in full or in part, lead to the development diseases, possibly including cancer. i specifically said that GMOs cannot invade your cells and start taking over your dna, but I think it is plausible to suspect that there might be some situations in which GMOs can lead to diseases, possibly including cancer.

again, this could all be changed if there was ample evidence to prove that GMOs are completely safe and do not lead, in full or in part, in certain scenarios or in all scenarios, to any diseases, including cancer. cancer DOES happen. it's extremely prevalent in our society. i don't think it's a stretch to suspect that GMOs might lead to it in some way. of course they don't just hop into your cells and start re-writing your dna, but i don't doubt there aren't other processes that exist that might allow GMOs to lead to cancer. maybe it could only happen in the presence of certain viruses? maybe they cause changes to your body that make you more susceptible to developing cancer through other means? i honestly don't know. i'm just saying that until there's ample evidence that they don't, and until monsanto stops acting like shady douchebags, i'm cautious of GMOs.

FFS i think you need to look up what GMOs are, look up how cancer works and look up how digestion works .
cancer is caused by carcinogens which work by altering your DNA (explaining this very simply) in such a way that certain genes are promoted and others are not which leads to uncontrollable cell growth and replication.

Unless they have been genetically modified to contain a carcinogen they will not be be anymore likely to cause cancer than the 'natural' strain.

How would they cause changes in your body. you only need a basic knowledge of biology to see how GMOs are safe to eat.

FFS you need to learn to have a logical argument. you're straw manning out the ass. i don't have time for this ish right now.

I don't really see the straw man in that? I'd love for you to point out how and/or why GMOs would have a greater risk of causing cancer than regular food. Obviously all food has a risk of containing carcinogens (some more than others) but why would GMO food inherently be more likely to cause cancer, biologically speaking? Keeping in mind basic digestion has already been outlined in this thread

misrepresenting other ppls arguments. ill explain when im out of class.

the fuck is a straw man?

dont reply then innit
your argument has no logical or scientific backing. its based on assumptions youve made which are wrong. ur just chatting breeze lol

the fuck is a straw man? lol wow i don't have time for this right now..

fuck off then