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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 8:58 pm
by wil?
Bob Crunkhouse wrote:
I dont. So the black community were worried about "urban" being a white middle class term for "black music", sooooo 1xtra decided to just call it "new black music" without thinking who that might alienate?!?! its a complete facre..
Also, denying its heritage is racist? is fucking MAD, if thats the case we better start labelling all music, art, film, with its racial origins just incase we offend anyone right?
And pleaase stop with this bullshit about "real" racism, no ones comparing this to slavery or institutionalised racism, its just a lazy innacurate term that does nothing but alienate and irratate people, as illustrated by most peoples feelings in this thread.
I personally think "Urban" is a far better word.
dont get me wrong i am not saying that urdan is racist just that some have argued that it is an inappropriate term and that 1xtra had to take that into account...and i dont think that labeling everything on 1xtra black is ideal...
generally if someone finds something (racially)offensive then it is racist...
if you are not black and find the 'black music' term racist then it is...which is fair...on the same logic though if a black person finds the term urban racist then it is as well...
obviously the current description angers a lot of people (although not me) and a more appropriate term needs to be found...i dont know what that should be...i originaly wanted to point out that there were also issues around the term urban and that it was not as simple as just switching the name...
Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 10:55 pm
by metalboxproducts
This debate can fuck off. Totel waste.
Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 10:57 pm
by d_three
metalboxproducts wrote:This debate can fuck off. Totel waste.
absolutely.
Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 11:05 pm
by wil?
d.three wrote:metalboxproducts wrote:This debate can fuck off. Totel waste.
absolutely.
yeah i talk shit sometimes...im leaving it all alone...i dont even listen to 1xtra anymore...it was all dnb last time i checked...
while im on dnb...anyone one know if grooverider has been released yet...?
Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 11:07 pm
by d_three
wil? wrote:d.three wrote:metalboxproducts wrote:This debate can fuck off. Totel waste.
absolutely.
yeah i talk shit sometimes...im leaving it all alone...i dont even listen to 1xtra anymore...it was all dnb last time i checked...
while im on dnb...anyone one know if grooverider has been released yet...?
don't know mate, but speaking of 1Xtra's dnb is always has been all about Bailey (for me) my DAB radio hasn't been touched for ages...
Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 11:15 pm
by wil?
i struggle to listen to dnb on the radio...sometimes it just feels like a wall of snare drums...its a club music for me...aint been out to a dnb night for ages...maybe ill go fabric on friday...
Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 12:09 am
by d_three
wil? wrote:i struggle to listen to dnb on the radio...sometimes it just feels like a wall of snare drums...its a club music for me...aint been out to a dnb night for ages...maybe ill go fabric on friday...
fabric is the last place I'd go for dnb
Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 12:13 am
by bob crunkhouse
metalboxproducts wrote:This debate can fuck off. Totel waste.
i think this is a relativley interesting argument, if you havent added anything to the discussion and you think its "waste" then piss off to another thread, nuff people have put there point across here and its interesting to hear what people have to say, u sir are the "waste" im afriad.
On topic: i respect your point of view wil? i think "urban" is a troublesome term that could obviously lead to more problems, guess it comes down to wether you think that its a better term than whats in place now and if you think its worth implementing.
Rah, rant over anyway.
Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 12:26 am
by wil?
d.three wrote:wil? wrote:i struggle to listen to dnb on the radio...sometimes it just feels like a wall of snare drums...its a club music for me...aint been out to a dnb night for ages...maybe ill go fabric on friday...
fabric is the last place I'd go for dnb
i love it there...the mix of people is brilliant....and if u get bored of the room you are in there is normally something interesting on in the other rooms...whoever does the booking there is pretty good...they are well ahead of any of the other big clubs...
Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 12:28 am
by wil?
Bob Crunkhouse wrote:metalboxproducts wrote:This debate can fuck off. Totel waste.
i think this is a relativley interesting argument, if you havent added anything to the discussion and you think its "waste" then piss off to another thread, nuff people have put there point across here and its interesting to hear what people have to say, u sir are the "waste" im afriad.
On topic: i respect your point of view wil? i think "urban" is a troublesome term that could obviously lead to more problems, guess it comes down to wether you think that its a better term than whats in place now and if you think its worth implementing.
Rah, rant over anyway.
this all reminds me of that wiley tune...wat u call it?...
Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 12:31 am
by bob crunkhouse
wil? wrote:Bob Crunkhouse wrote:metalboxproducts wrote:This debate can fuck off. Totel waste.
i think this is a relativley interesting argument, if you havent added anything to the discussion and you think its "waste" then piss off to another thread, nuff people have put there point across here and its interesting to hear what people have to say, u sir are the "waste" im afriad.
On topic: i respect your point of view wil? i think "urban" is a troublesome term that could obviously lead to more problems, guess it comes down to wether you think that its a better term than whats in place now and if you think its worth implementing.
Rah, rant over anyway.
this all reminds me of that wiley tune...wat u call it?...
i think its called "wat u call it?"
yeh, its nitpicking really, i just think any of the other possibilities are better than the current one...pah lets call it eski FM
Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 2:55 am
by kirk
LOOK,
U LOT R TALKING ABOUT RACISM LIKE U WNT GET 40 WHIPS FOR CALLIN A TEDDY MOHAMMED!!!!!!
SO WATS THE WORLD COMIN 2 WEN WE R SEGREGATING THINGS THAT DNT REALLY MATTER(BLACK MUSIC/WHITE MUSIC).
MUSIC IS MUSIC FUK THE ORIGIN.
WAKE THE FUK UP!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 8:13 am
by metalboxproducts
Bob Crunkhouse wrote:metalboxproducts wrote:This debate can fuck off. Totel waste.
i think this is a relativley interesting argument, if you havent added anything to the discussion and you think its "waste" then piss off to another thread, nuff people have put there point across here and its interesting to hear what people have to say, u sir are the "waste" im afriad.
On topic: i respect your point of view wil? i think "urban" is a troublesome term that could obviously lead to more problems, guess it comes down to wether you think that its a better term than whats in place now and if you think its worth implementing.
Rah, rant over anyway.
You haven't read the responses to your own thread. Oh dear. I suggest you chech up thread mate.
This thread is becoming circuler.
Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 1:45 pm
by beatkingz
quite funny...."new black music"....i think is a stereotype which isnt needed....but funny to say, most of the employees there at 1xtra are white...lol
Its a tough one to call, and im not gonna get in the middle of it, but ive heard both sides of the story, and still cant really agree with 1 side....
why not just call it "new good music" ?
Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 2:09 pm
by oddfellow
I think its more of a 'class' issue then a 'race' issue if you need to catagorize music that way.
Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 3:20 pm
by efa
d.three wrote:metalboxproducts wrote:This debate can fuck off. Totel waste.
absolutely.
Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 4:19 pm
by xor
metalboxproducts wrote:This debate can fuck off. Totel waste.
Uh-huh. It's not even a debate...it's a pointless whinge with no hope of a resolution.
You know it's not racist, it's just the best shot at 'edgy street' branding that the marketing minds can muster.
Leave it.
Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 10:30 pm
by d_three
metalboxproducts wrote:This thread is becoming circuler.
Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 10:48 pm
by dopplegangbanger
metalboxproducts wrote:Bob Crunkhouse wrote:metalboxproducts wrote:This debate can fuck off. Totel waste.
i think this is a relativley interesting argument, if you havent added anything to the discussion and you think its "waste" then piss off to another thread, nuff people have put there point across here and its interesting to hear what people have to say, u sir are the "waste" im afriad.
On topic: i respect your point of view wil? i think "urban" is a troublesome term that could obviously lead to more problems, guess it comes down to wether you think that its a better term than whats in place now and if you think its worth implementing.
Rah, rant over anyway.
You haven't read the responses to your own thread. Oh dear. I suggest you chech up thread mate.
This thread is becoming circuler.
forgive me if im wrong, but before your "this debate is waste" post, didnt you
actually make a post in this thread prior to that? im assuming because no one started quoting you and sucking your dick like you've come to expect, you decided to throw your dummy out of your pram. well done.
just another cock who thinks his word is law on this forum.
no one gives a fuck, get a grip.
Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 11:00 pm
by d_three
I wish there would be less waste like Dopplegangbanger on this forum. Watch your mouth.
it's about time to lock this thread and move on.