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Parson wrote:well i wasn't even talking about shifting the pitch after the tune is done. i just meant changing the bpm in the sequencer

A lot of tunes sound ridiculous 10bpm out in a sequencer I've found lately

ridiculous good or ridiculous bad.

i just made a tune at 155bpm and it sounds like crap slowed down to 140 or sped up to 170

Parson wrote:ridiculous good or ridiculous bad.

i just made a tune at 155bpm and it sounds like crap slowed down to 140 or sped up to 170

Bad. Had one I wrote at 132 and when mixed up to 140+ just totally didn't groove at all. Pretty much all lfo's and envelopes were in sync with the tempo too, just sounded really rushed and dumb.

its true. avoiding any bpm for a genre's sake is silly. there are different grooves to be found at different tempos and it doesn't need to be a huge jump to make a huge difference.

Parson wrote:its true. avoiding any bpm for a genre's sake is silly. there are different grooves to be found at different tempos and it doesn't need to be a huge jump to make a huge difference.

Yeah, best thing for me to do is write a few more at around the same tempo so I'll have something to mix them into

Parson wrote:well i wasn't even talking about shifting the pitch after the tune is done. i just meant changing the bpm in the sequencer

ah

if youre trying to get a dnb crowd to dig some dubstep... playing halftime dnb isnt going to do it... they'll probably already enjoy that if its a good tune...

just drop the tempo in the middle of the set with a strong track, they probably wont care if its a good track... as stated before, tempo makes a huge difference in the vibe

Shonky wrote:

Parson wrote:its true. avoiding any bpm for a genre's sake is silly. there are different grooves to be found at different tempos and it doesn't need to be a huge jump to make a huge difference.

Yeah, best thing for me to do is write a few more at around the same tempo so I'll have something to mix them into

me n u shonx

Parson wrote:

Shonky wrote:

Parson wrote:its true. avoiding any bpm for a genre's sake is silly. there are different grooves to be found at different tempos and it doesn't need to be a huge jump to make a huge difference.

Yeah, best thing for me to do is write a few more at around the same tempo so I'll have something to mix them into

me n u shonx

"plank skank" by jack sparrow is 170 something i think

"two" by jazzsteppa could make a nice transition into dnb...

I find it quite annoying that people on here are saying if its 140 its Dubstep and if its 170 its DnB. What??? You do know that other music is made at these tempos and a genre isn't defined purely by tempo.

If a DnB artist makes a 140bpm song it doesn't mean he is making Dubstep.

If its a good 140bpm song well done to him, if its a shit one then better luck next time!

Hope you enjoyed the song mate, was well chuffed when I stumbled across that!

Horza wrote:I find it quite annoying that people on here are saying if its 140 its Dubstep and if its 170 its DnB. What??? You do know that other music is made at these tempos and a genre isn't defined purely by tempo.

Read a thread on DOa where they were discussing taking dnb back to under 150 bpm and someone wrote that dnb was fast music with layered percussion and that anything at that tempo with similar sensibilities was breakbeat. Seemed kind of ignorant about early jungle by that statement to my mind.

I think I'll take your word on it so I don't go on there and have a rant haha!

Horza wrote:I find it quite annoying that people on here are saying if its 140 its Dubstep and if its 170 its DnB. What??? You do know that other music is made at these tempos and a genre isn't defined purely by tempo.

no one is defining anything. most people are just making the point that the vibes change drastically between 140 and 170 , whether it's constructed in 16's, 32's, half time, full time, beer time isn't the point....

if you have a room full of people dancing to 140 loefah or pinch and then bang in a 170 half time dnb tune, people will notice it immediately. doesn't mean you can't do it. doesn't mean you shouldn't do it.

it's just not the same feel.

Yeah agree with you there definitely was one or two saying that if a DnB dude start makin beats at 140 its gotta be Dubstep. Now if the only think what seperated Dubstep & DnB is the tempo then maybe I'd agree but that clearly isn't the case.

I know what you mean vibes do have a close link to tempo definitely and some stuff can't just be pitched up and expected to hold the same vibe.

Checked out those songs you posted before and really enjoyed some of them! Pretty useful thread hehe!

Why don't producers just make tracks they like at whatever bpm they want and forget about labelling it dubstep/dnb/breaks whatever.

The worst thing is people writing 'dubstep' because they are immediatly trying to sound like something else. I write beats between 130-155bpm just coz that is how it has worked out.....I may write at 180 or 110 or 50 or whatever and it will be because that is the effect i want for that track. It won't be because i'm writing dnb or dubstep as these are names for a blanket genre and not the names i have chosen for that specific piece of music....

It's funny that the rules are dubstep are becoming the limitations of the sound. Especially the tempo range...Kode stated that it is sub at 140....well what about this mid-range stuff at 140...still d*bstep?....what if i stray to 146bpm for a track...is this automatically not dubstep now?....why is it dubstep anyway? Getting caught up in genres makes your music formulaic......as you are aiming to sound like something...whether it is halfstep, fullstep, breakbeat/whatever.

To be honest a whole night of 140bpm is not as attractive to me as a night with lots of different bpms to groove to.

[quote="seckle"] imo that's the closest to the feel of this sound, and you don't feel like it's dnb when you're in the dance. he's placing snares and bass drums in places that aren't usual./quote]

MARTSMAN

ok, leaving aside the debate for the moment. Does anyone have a mix that is primarily half-step dnb style or otherwise unconventional in drum programming like the tracks that cygn posted?

dj izm made a mix in this style, but it's not online anymore.