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selector.dub.u wrote:

Parson wrote:don't underestimate the power of intent

Don't underestimate the power of having to pay the rent.

or the power of getting a guitar shaped swimming pool or two chefs in your kitchen making you hot dogs whenever you want them

the title was tongue in cheek, but ok

Delendi wrote:the title was tongue in cheek, but ok

The beauty of thread titles is that each person interprets them in their own wa....

Jubscarz wrote:

Delendi wrote:the title was tongue in cheek, but ok

The beauty of thread titles is that each person interprets them in their own wa....

no f'in way! you will interpret the title according to the intent of the creator of the thread title . there is no room for compromise here.

Piston wrote:

selector.dub.u wrote:

Parson wrote:don't underestimate the power of intent

Don't underestimate the power of having to pay the rent.

or the power of getting a guitar shaped swimming pool or two chefs in your kitchen making you hot dogs whenever you want them

hey! rich people gots to pay the bills to.

alls i'm sayin is you can say all day that propaganda doesn't work on you but that doesn't change the overwhelming results of propaganda/advertisement

i mean i don't personally consume coca-cola products.

but they're one of the largest corporations in the world because of their effective permeation of popular consciousness

Parson wrote:alls i'm sayin is you can say all day that propaganda doesn't work on you but that doesn't change the overwhelming results of propaganda/advertisement

i wish we could embed videos here -- anyway

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcxV9Q733J4

Parson wrote:i mean i don't personally consume coca-cola products.

but they're one of the largest corporations in the world because of their effective permeation of popular consciousness

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxjsUxDp_z8

Parson wrote:i mean i don't personally consume coca-cola products.

but they're one of the largest corporations in the world because of their effective permeation of popular consciousness

yeah exactly

its not like starbucks makes the best coffee is it?

people have become used to it being this way...they have been conditioned...It's hard to have any credibility either as if you do the opposite of what advertising tells you you're being moved by the same forces but just in the opposite direction....I think i'm getting to the stage where i don't give a fuck but i'm not sure

that beat reminds me of the second streets album

pk- wrote:http://youtube.com/watch?v=d00P0BsLSyk

Haha i love east 17 no homo like, but still they was sick back in the day... thunder was one of there best tunes

i ABSOLUTELY love E17. best valentines day of my life was when a guy gave me their greatest hits album. and it's saying a lot for that to be the best valentines day of my life... cos i also sat out on brighton beach too long at night and got pneumonia

the one with gabrielle is amazing

http://youtube.com/watch?v=UQQArCghJV8

pk- wrote:the one with gabrielle is amazing

http://youtube.com/watch?v=UQQArCghJV8

are u serious? that guy can barely sing in tune. <sarcasm>

check this the original of that song---
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xVHpsgvBxlw&feature=related

the house remix is awesome.

i also found an Ed Case & Ming Xia tune called 'Stir of Echoes' the other day, loving which almost certainly makes me a woman

selector.dub.u wrote:

pk- wrote:the one with gabrielle is amazing

http://youtube.com/watch?v=UQQArCghJV8

are u serious? that guy can barely sing in tune. <sarcasm>

check this the original of that song---
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xVHpsgvBxlw&feature=related

the house remix is awesome.

original wins!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=3TUtK_OXOC0&feature=related

the argument being raised here totally undermines the role of the individual actor to make their own decisions.

people would still drink coke if they liked it even if it was on sale without any advertising or marketing whatsoever. the marketing and advertising just means more people are aware of it.

and if we're going to push this music as product thing then obviously if dubstep was all over daytime radio then more people would be into. but as many people who are into the pop records?

to what extent is taste a factor in this? you can't rule it out. popular culture is popular for 2 reasons: because it is mass marketed but also because there is some mass consensus about it. i don't believe that this consensus is entirely manufactured rather just exploited. it is commodified to such an extent (most likely to the detriment to the 'value' of the music in relation to this argument) because money can be made out of it. but it doesn't mean it's bad.

so should one not like a pop song because it has been produced with the intent of profit? should one like a song which has been produced purely for the sake of making music?

dub-u's hip pop youtubes got me thinking in more detail. andreus huyssen:

just as art works become commodities and are enjoyed as such, the commodity itself in consumer society has become image, representation, spectacle. use value has been replaced by a packaging and and advertising. the commodification of art ends up in the aestheticisation of the commodity. the siren song of the commodity has displaced the promesse de bomheur once held by bourgeois art, and consumer odyseus blissfully plunges into the sea of commodities, hoping to find gratification but finding none.

adorno and horkheimer's theory of the culture industry is interesting here:

popular culture is akin to a factory producing standardized cultural goods to manipulate the masses into passivity; the easy pleasures available through consumption of popular culture make people docile and content, no matter how difficult their economic circumstances. Adorno and Horkheimer saw this mass-produced culture as a danger to the more difficult high arts. Culture industries may cultivate false needs; that is, needs created and satisfied by capitalism. True needs, in contrast, are freedom, creativity, or genuine happiness.

the question is how this related to whether or not you should like something regardless of its intent. for me i like music for what i hear, not what i represents.

adorno was a notorious snob, he despised jazz for instance and makes for an interesting example in this thread. he raises some interesting points:

advertising becomes information when when there is no longer anything to chose from, when the recognition of brand name has taken the place of choice, when at the same time the totality forces everyone who wishes to survive into consciously going along with the process.

but surely all culture is self determining. pop tracks wouldn't be popular if people didn't enjoy them surely? do i like the timbaland because of his ubiquity or because he makes sick beats?

i guess for me, i view all music on a equal level. i like it , or don't, for what it is. and not what it represents. most people on here, because they like dubstep, don't just go along with the process. but going against the process is useless, especially when considering music or any art. which you should like if you like it and don't if you don't. there are no guilty pleasures.

i should probably think this through a bit more before posting it but what the hell.