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Joseph-J wrote:"improve the scene"???

Its doing damn fine as it is thank you very much.

"it's the only one that have releases on air for months, even years"

Not true. Dubstep has a dubplate culture because its primarily a genre based on raves, not on shops.

The only way the scene will "collapse" is if people force it in a certain direction. Not playing dubs until the 12s come out will mean less hype = less sales, and a shorter shelf life for the track. Releasing more records could bankcrupt the artists.

There is nothing wrong with the way it is. You want the dubs when they're fresh? Become a good DJ and get in with the people who know, don't just expect it to be served up to you on a platter.

a fuckin men!

poax wrote:in my opinion there has to be elitism

And another thing....

There is a difference between the people who make the records, shell out on the raves and hype the dubs and the people who buy records from shops.

When you work that hard DAMN RIGHT you can be elitist!!!

ThinKing wrote:sorry mate you misunderstood - I wasn't directing everything at you there.

I'm sorry then.

Joseph-J wrote:"improve the scene"???

Its doing damn fine as it is thank you very much.

Of course it is, I woudln't be writing here if I didn't think it is, but it can always be improved, I'm not a conformist guy. What I said before is that we are in a crucial point, so every step taken should be thought carefully.

Joseph-J wrote:"it's the only one that have releases on air for months, even years"

Not true. Dubstep has a dubplate culture because its primarily a genre based on raves, not on shops.

The only way the scene will "collapse" is if people force it in a certain direction. Not playing dubs until the 12s come out will mean less hype = less sales, and a shorter shelf life for the track. Releasing more records could bankcrupt the artists.

It's pretty confusing that you say it's not based on shops and in the next line you justify it with sales. Of course it's based in shops, it is since the moment the artist sell releases and open the sound to everybody who wanna hear it. If we were talking about french hardcore, i.e., which is not sold on shops, only on raves and doesn't pretend to be wide open to everybody, I'd agree with you and stop this discussion now, but dubstep is a genre orientated to sell record, to play on raves, yeah, but first selling it. And yeah, what I want is less "hype".

Joseph-J wrote:You want the dubs when they're fresh? Become a good DJ and get in with the people who know, don't just expect it to be served up to you on a platter.

Pfff stop putting words in my mouth I didn't say man. Once again, I'm not talking about getting certain releases to myself, if had all the dubplates in the world I'd still thinking the same way. Please read my previous post.

I think some of you think you are some kind of dubstep souljahz, you belong to a movement and you gotta defend it without any bit of criticism... I love dubstep too, but if we're not even a bit critical it'll get stuck soon.

Anyway, this is getting really unproductive, so I guess this is my last post on this thread.

how hot is it outside?

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poax wrote: lets just all slow down a bit . at this rate the scene will have eaten itself by 2008! and im still fackin ungry

thats the truth right there

the space and the slowness is whats so damn fine about this music


but I still think people should begin to get as innovative with the distro and promo and sales as they do with these beats


peace

[quote="David_M"][quote="ThinKing"]

I think some of you think you are some kind of dubstep souljahz, [quote "David_M"]


you better fucking believe it.

i wish joe nice lived in balham not baltimore n all. hold tight balham crew!

mos dan wrote:i wish joe nice lived in balham not baltimore n all. hold tight balham crew!

On a day like this I bet he's fucking glad he doesn't.

Ha ha ha. Look:



A spam emoticon. Genius.

The heats gone to my head.

Joseph-J wrote:
When you work that hard DAMN RIGHT you can be elitist!!!

you can, but then you'd also be a wanker.
elitist=wanker
elitism is why some people starve, and others throw food away.

well lets wank away. let em eat pussy

clone.A.K. wrote:

Joseph-J wrote:
When you work that hard DAMN RIGHT you can be elitist!!!

you can, but then you'd also be a wanker.
elitist=wanker
elitism is why some people starve, and others throw food away.

OK, I didn't mean it like that. I meant that by the very nature of producers vs punters you're going to get an "elite". I wasn't for a second suggesting that anyone here acted that way.

Can open. Worms everywhere.

ThinKing wrote:

J_J wrote:'spliff dub' release soon come lol

too late man, that one's been caned on dub waaaaay too long, it's old. I ain't buyin it.

mshadetek wrote:this is a hard thing as a producer, you make a hot tune and have two choices, rinse it on radio and give it out to people and hope that the buzz will still be there when it releases a year later or hold it back and wait till the release is lined up and hype before the release date. The first is what give dubstep, grime and other pirate based music a lot of energy, new tunes, new ideas, quickly evolving and changing. The second is what you have to do to sell records. I think it's not a coincidence that these styles don't sell well, because the 12" or mixCD for home listening is not really the 'main purpose' of the tunes, it's either to hear it mixed on pirate or loud in a rave.

As a fan as well, I will not be that motivated to buy an album if I know I've already heard a large portion of it. It's a shame but it's true. Basically you have to keep a big chunk of stuff exclusive to the album if you want people to be interested when it finally drops.

One thing fans don't understand is how LONG it takes to get a release out, how much time usually goes between finishing a tune and seeing it in the shops.

Matt nailed it with this comment right here.

Not true. Dubstep has a dubplate culture because its primarily a genre based on raves, not on shops.

Joseph J, to an extent I would agree with the last paragraph in your comment where you say if you really want the fresh tunes early then get yourself good as a DJ and get in with the right people...yeah (thats what im trying to do), but surely this is unrealistic for a large number of dubstep followers as they might not have the time, or money to venture into becoming a DJ within the scene, and may not have the technical music knowledge to do so.

So saying that the only way to get fresh beats is to become a dj is alienating a large group of followers that want to keep up with the scene and enjoy the music that they hear in mixes or in the raves at home or in their car, whatever.

With regard to the above quote, I would say that yes, dubstep does have a dubplate culture that has been built on raves, but surely if the scene is to progress and reach out to new people, you have to make the music more accessible to them. Unless of course I am mistaken in thinking that producers and labels want to increase the volume of their sales and extend their fan base?

These are all very reactionary comments.

Because you can't enjoy "fresh" beats anymore (so running down to HMV and buying the new Tempa 12 suddenly isn't good enough), you're suddenly "alienated".

See my previous comments about forcing a scene in a certain direction.

Likewise with my shop comment - OF COURSE people are going to sell records in shops. Its an economy.

I wasn't commented on record shops' role in the scene, I was commenting on why there is such a bit dubplate culture about the scene. You're looking at it from the wrong angle.

poax wrote: lets just all slow down a bit . at this rate the scene will have eaten itself by 2008! and im still fackin ungry

LOL. here,here. poax, flexing the diplomatic skills.
dubplate culture will never die. accept this, and you'll live longer,have good looking children, and die an old man with headphones on.

aah brother seckle, the calming voice of reason. phew!

poax wrote:aah brother seckle, the calming voice of reason. phew!

i support diplomacy at all costs.