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Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 9:13 pm
by municiple
Check out the album "Delay" by Dub Tractor (his other albums are very different than this one).
http://www.discogs.com/release/140946
serious dubstep vibes, fo sho.
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 12:14 am
by rekall
yeah yeah and rag and bone owes everything to Si Begg's influence under his buckfunk 3000 monicker.
can we get on with it?
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 1:03 pm
by oukiess
So agree with dat, Muzlimgauze, have done thingz like afx and other dubstep producer a long time ago and before 95 !!! He have produced over 100 lp !!! So check the reprint and catch what u can of this avant garde folk dupsteper !!! 3 lp u can easily buy : "Alms for Iraq" (1995) , "Observe with Sadiq Bey" (1998) and "Lo-fi India abuse" (1999).
http://pretentious.net/Muslimgauze/
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 2:50 pm
by oukiess
I just showing love to all dubstepers and didn't remade the history !!!
Muslimgauze as many others influence the whole music planet and, as a philosophe say nothing been created all is transforming
In french "rien ne se creer tout se transforme"
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 11:53 pm
by rekall
Mr Hyde wrote:rekall wrote:yeah yeah and rag and bone owes everything to Si Begg's influence under his buckfunk 3000 monicker.
can we get on with it?
serious? (sorry if your not but cant tell from text) there is some similarity there but warlock's been releasing stuff on labels like unearthly for ages, rag and bone's got influences from all over the place- breaks/dnb/techno/grime/dubstep... which i guess might be your point- music evolves and dubstep is from all over the place, its not like someone just invented it then everyone copied that one record
entirely my point. just playing devil's advocate
discussions like these are like talking about who really invented london hardcore / uk breaks.
you could stick you neck out and say 'rob playford?' and everyone would hop on board saying no, no it was this gal this guy way-back-then. and it never stops.
another 'fun' one is "who first played drum n' bass in the states?"
even smaller genres experience this phenomenon. tell me, what was the first really abrasive, true 'breakcore' tune? personally i'd start with the 2nd gen single 'and / or', sum tings dun by Edgey, and work backwards from there.
others would begin entirely elsewhere.
Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 1:33 am
by RubiconMan
AntiLynd wrote:nailik wrote:My first listens to dubstep really reminded me of the feel of a lot of tracks on a Virgin comp out in the mid 90s called Macro Dub Infection.
http://www.discogs.com/release/115747
It's got Scorn, Muslimgauze, Iration Steppers, Tricky, 4 Hero, Coil, The Rootsman etc on it.
yea, I still got that one on tape... Alec Empire, Wagon Christ, Tortoise (!), Spring Heel Jack, Maurizio, HiM (not HIM), Bill Laswell... good times. Wasnt it compiled by The Bug btw?
yeah it was
http://www.discogs.com/artist/Kevin+Martin?anv=K+Martin
Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 2:05 am
by rekall
damn, dude's got more aliases than luke slater!
Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 8:10 am
by the solar constant
Bryn Jones was a genius... thrilled to even see him mentioned in this forum.
As far as the dubstep connection goes, i can hear it in the tunes that shackleton makes & that's about it. I only wish muslimgauze albums were easier to find.
Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 10:44 am
by cixxxj
Every vinyl based set I can do, I drop this!!
http://www.discogs.com/Rootsman-Natural ... ase/205679
TOO MUCH!
Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 2:34 pm
by alex deadman
Not sure Rootsman invented dubstep but he certainly is a legend.
Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 7:20 pm
by seen
for all fans of the mighty millitant muslimgauze, make sure you keep the 22nd of may free
planned tribute night for muslimgauze (in leeds)
artists not confirmed but trust me from what ive been told it sounds amazing.
showcasing lost dat tapes and reworks.
-best album by bryn for me has to be narcotic or the one with rootsman.
also on the macro dub album it features a track from a group which included the guy who now runs deadly dragon record store!
Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 8:55 pm
by Tombones
seen wrote:for all fans of the mighty millitant muslimgauze, make sure you keep the 22nd of may free
planned tribute night for muslimgauze (in leeds)
artists not confirmed but trust me from what ive been told it sounds amazing.
showcasing lost dat tapes and reworks.
-best album by bryn for me has to be narcotic or the one with rootsman.
also on the macro dub album it features a track from a group which included the guy who now runs deadly dragon record store!
Will not be missing this!
Been listening a lot to Ayatollah Dollar recently - one of his more heavily dub-influenced albums. There's a couple more unreleased bits due out on Staalplaat in the next month. Can't wait to see the line up.
Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 10:03 pm
by rekall
seen wrote:also on the macro dub album
http://www.discogs.com/release/752158
Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 12:53 am
by pdomino
I like alot of the music ive just found, and agree with the style of music but wasnt recognised as part of the mould if that makes sense.
Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 11:21 am
by seen
volume 2 - should have said
Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 8:54 am
by tacospheros
there's just so much stuff in this thread to research, fuk
Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 1:45 am
by bassbeyondreason
http://bottomofthemap.blogspot.com/2008 ... -1996.html
I put it to you that Track 4 of this CD (from 96) is actually pure dubstep/grime. Sounds like Macabre Unit.
Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 3:06 am
by OoGuN
nailik wrote:My first listens to dubstep really reminded me of the feel of a lot of tracks on a Virgin comp out in the mid 90s called Macro Dub Infection.
http://www.discogs.com/release/115747
It's got Scorn, Muslimgauze, Iration Steppers, Tricky, 4 Hero, Coil, The Rootsman etc on it.
A lot of it is intensely dark, dubby, heavy and atmospheric. Sound familiar?
Yes mate, i've still got the vinyl..true word, i'll dig that out and listen to it again as I'm moving house, cheers for reminding me.
Also, RSD is Rob Smith who was Smith in Smith and Mighty and he makes wicked dubstep.. (was still reading thru the thread when I replied so I'm sure someone else has mentioned this)... about the Rootsman, there was that 12" on a label that someone on here has as their avatar...
Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 9:41 am
by onelouder
Macro dub comps and the compilations that Bill Laswell put together for his subharmonic label(????) pretty much defined the mid/late 90s for me.
Same goes for the On U work from the 80s, which I started to listen to a lot of around this point in time and Mark Stewarts stuff w/ tackhead (Veneer of Democracy et. al.).
Bryn Jones is pretty much in a league of his own IMHO, Infidel/Uzi Mahmood/Uzbekistani Bazaar... Intensely prolific and incredible.
Nice to see him get props here.