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Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 3:33 pm
by oddfellow
Thread is starting to get nasty/off topic now.
At the end of the day if your a DJ/listener to this music there isn't much you can do to speed up the process of things getting released. I'm sure it is something that will improve as time goes on but on the flip side that means that you might get to a point where you cant afford to keep up (this has happened with me, bought a few tracks in a week only for something I've been waiting for to appear and I'm broke
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In terms of over-exposure, it's something that you as a dubstep fan have to control methinks. If your going out on the regular and happen to live in a place where there are lots of nights happening then the chances are you might hear similar tunes. Maybe going to different nights / looking for different DJ's will help? If your listening to your favorite mix again and again then some of the unreleased tracks might start to lose their charm.
If your DJing then one of the unfortunate side effects is that you might very well become sick of certain tunes. But that's the price you pay for knowing them well.
Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 4:13 pm
by Mad_EP
fooishbar wrote:tune -> aim -> dubplate -> ... -> signed -> mastered -> ... -> tp -> hey this sounds rubbish -> (repeat x4) -> shit our pressing plant shut down -> ... -> ... -> switching distro -> ... -> press -> distro -> shop/chemical/redeye
you could cut the dubplate step out but it wouldn't really help much.
^^^
This is how it is 90% percent of the time. Even in a smooth situation, it often takes 6 months from the time a track is signed to when it is released. For large labels with long release queues it can take longer.
There are endless reasons why tracks get leaked to djs but take much longer to get pressed up.... However, a conspiracy theory of purposefully keeping the tracks away from fans is the least common one.
Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 4:28 pm
by Littlefoot
see: dubplate culture
Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 4:30 pm
by surface_tension
I don't think it's a conspiracy, so much as a bad decision on their part to debut a tune so far from it's release date. I can see getting some radio play, breaking the tune, letting people forget about it for a while and then unleashing the furious promo a couple months out. Nothing wrong with that.
I think there's something wrong with playing a track out for a year, constantly having others play it out while waiting... by the time it comes out, everyone has moved on to the next thing. In a genre this dynamic, by the time something releases, it's yesterdays news, and the sound is stale, for the most part. I guess what I've been getting at and people keep missing, is that saturation can be a very bad thing.
Why don't 90% of us turn on terrestrial radio these days?
And there's the point. It's because you will hear the same rotation, etc. and it's old and stale.
Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 5:02 pm
by powerpill
i think you're over reacting slightly. if these tunes your talking about sound so stale by the time they are released as you put it, then you're listening to the wrong tunes. i for one don't buy records that are stale
Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 5:19 pm
by surface_tension
powerpill wrote:i think you're over reacting slightly. if these tunes your talking about sound so stale by the time they are released as you put it, then you're listening to the wrong tunes. i for one don't buy records that are stale
If you eat the same thing every day, you will get sick of the flavor. I can eat my favorite candy for only so long before I would prefer a different flavor for a while. When you are depending on the initial hype from your sales to boost your future sales, that is pretty shaky ground to be standing on, eh?
Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 5:26 pm
by nesslei
oh goodness!
Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 5:27 pm
by powerpill
Surface_Tension wrote:powerpill wrote:i think you're over reacting slightly. if these tunes your talking about sound so stale by the time they are released as you put it, then you're listening to the wrong tunes. i for one don't buy records that are stale
If you eat the same thing every day, you will get sick of the flavor. I can eat my favorite candy for only so long before I would prefer a different flavor for a while. When you are depending on the initial hype from your sales to boost your future sales, that is pretty shaky ground to be standing on, eh?
lol. this aint some corporate business flex. its music. if its good then people will buy it. you're making it sound like dj's sound like idiots as well. you're argument is going nowhere. in fact, in my eyes there is no argument.
Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 5:31 pm
by chef
Listen to Blackdown and stop feeling like your getting some sort of injustice. No label boss I know intentionally holds back tunes to be a tnuc, it is what it is.
Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 8:51 pm
by __________
Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 9:10 pm
by LEQ
Posting in this thread.
'Please sir, can I have some more?' ^ Photoshop wins.
Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 9:10 pm
by djshiva
Surface_Tension wrote:I don't think it's a conspiracy, so much as a bad decision on their part to debut a tune so far from it's release date. I can see getting some radio play, breaking the tune, letting people forget about it for a while and then unleashing the furious promo a couple months out. Nothing wrong with that.
I think there's something wrong with playing a track out for a year, constantly having others play it out while waiting... by the time it comes out, everyone has moved on to the next thing. In a genre this dynamic, by the time something releases, it's yesterdays news, and the sound is stale, for the most part. I guess what I've been getting at and people keep missing, is that saturation can be a very bad thing.
Why don't 90% of us turn on terrestrial radio these days?
And there's the point. It's because you will hear the same rotation, etc. and it's old and stale.
there are basically three points i perceive lurking around in this topic:
1) the artist's right to do what the fuck they want with their own tunes, regardless of whether the end goal is fun or sales.
2) the listener's assumption that consumption of said music in a timely manner is an inherent right.
3) dubplate culture: freshmaker or eventual yawn inducer?
my thoughts:
1) the artist has a right to do what the fuck they want with their own tunes. period. if their goal is sales, they might want to rethink the caning a tune for a year strategy. that is all.
2) product consumption is not a "right". we live in a capitalist society where acquisition has taken precedence through manufactured demand. do i "need" a new record/tune? no, i WANT. and that want is just as manufactured as the product.
3) dubplate culture is many times a manufacturer of the "want" that i stated above. it's one way to tease people into wanting something to satiate those consumer urges. however, like any teasing, there is a point at which it becomes perceived as torturous.
with music culture, there is also this perception of NEW meaning BETTER. we always want the new. new new new new. at some point, we stop thinking about the music itself, and just think new new new new. this is also a product of super acquisition mindset, and is based in EGO, not in connection with the music. you also have the ability to say "i don't like being teased" and not buy the tune when it eventually trickles down to you. that would be one way to say "i don't like your tactics".
these are just my observations. i am not saying i am RIGHT or that there is just one way to think about any of these things.
all the people getting all snitty in this thread would do well to remember that we all have perspectives. and there is usually a grain of truth and/or vision in many different ones. there isn't any WINNING here. please stop acting like fucking middle schoolers bumping chests on the playground.
Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 9:37 pm
by d-T-r
Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 9:45 pm
by umkhontowesizwe
£10 Bag wrote:
end of thread pretty much
Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 10:14 pm
by pk-
didn't take you long to spaz out again did it thoughtbombing
Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 10:14 pm
by pk-
sorry i mean phobang
Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 10:14 pm
by pk-
sorry i mean nomorecomastep
Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 10:17 pm
by datura
haha, funny that the thread was the first post by someone who just registered today as well..
Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 11:35 pm
by spooKs
UmkhontoWeSizwe wrote:£10 Bag wrote:
end of thread pretty much
Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 11:46 pm
by djshiva
THE-VOICE-OF-REASON wrote:Surface_Tension wrote: Like I run a label...
You run a digital label , which in my opinion is a NON-LABEL and a cheap cop out which a trained monkey could set up.
When you actually take the time to put your money where your mouth is and sort out a proper distro deal and press vinyl and deal with the hassle and time that it takes to keep a release schedule on time then i think you have right to comment on the do's and dont's of how people should/can manage their label
p.s you talk acres of shit
oh and for the record (literally), we DO have a roster of vinyl releases upcoming. i am not tryin to start shit, but do your homework before you sling dirt, kplzthx.
