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SPOOKY wrote:expirement

entirely the notion on which i based this thread.

This thread is interesting, I wasn’t aware of the passion burning underneath the innocuous title! Once removed from the unfortunate build up of irritation with one another, there is an interesting debate at its heart about the way we can analyse and judge musical techniques, or in fact where we draw the lines around what would be called musical.

Personally, I find the idea that there is a single appropriate way to mix (or arrange) quite difficult to swallow, and agree that some tunes in combination lend themselves to ‘creative’ mixing well. However, I have limits to what I would enjoy out of a mix. It seems that the call to dispel preconceived notions of what ‘should’ be only carries so much weight (for me), because a logical extention could be a dj just dropping a track over another with no effort to beatmatch, allowing free reign to clanging! Once one rejects established theoretical structures and accepts cacophony as an artistic choice then it can lead to some nuts things being justified. Clearly im not going to say you shouldn’t do something if it does it for you, but others may not agree, and it might not be due to ‘narrow-mindedness’

Interestingly though, I saw a classical performance once composed by phillip glass which was based on the power of rhythmic clash and cacophony, consisting of about 15 minutes of uncomfortable melodic and rhythmic dischordance before eventually the elements came gradually together to create the climactic finale. It was supposed to create the image of waves crashing against one another and the shore, before eventually falling into harmony. It was nuts, and difficult, but interesting. But im not sure you could equate anything currently possible on turntables to something as grand as that, nor would I really want it to go down in a rave, or between two separately written pieces of music.

elgato wrote: Interestingly though, I saw a classical performance once composed by phillip glass which was based on the power of rhythmic clash and cacophony, consisting of about 15 minutes of uncomfortable melodic and rhythmic dischordance before eventually the elements came gradually together to create the climactic finale.

I'd say Kode 9 comes the closest to this when he mixes

UFO over easy wrote:

elgato wrote: Interestingly though, I saw a classical performance once composed by phillip glass which was based on the power of rhythmic clash and cacophony, consisting of about 15 minutes of uncomfortable melodic and rhythmic dischordance before eventually the elements came gradually together to create the climactic finale.

I'd say Kode 9 comes the closest to this when he mixes

Klang9

is it true he does this on purpose...? not knocking the guy think hes a fresh DJ, but his clangers annoy me sometimes, is there something i aint hearing?

tronman wrote:

UFO over easy wrote:

elgato wrote: Interestingly though, I saw a classical performance once composed by phillip glass which was based on the power of rhythmic clash and cacophony, consisting of about 15 minutes of uncomfortable melodic and rhythmic dischordance before eventually the elements came gradually together to create the climactic finale.

I'd say Kode 9 comes the closest to this when he mixes

Klang9

is it true he does this on purpose...?

I doubt it.. but for me he's still the most exciting DJ in dubstep at the moment along with Mala. Neither of them are tight, but the way the sets flow and the variety just blows everyone else out of the water.

elgato wrote:15 minutes of uncomfortable melodic and rhythmic dischordance before eventually the elements came gradually together to create the climactic finale.

http://www.stockhausen.org/mikrophonie_1.html

screened at Sonar this year.
extremely uncomfortable but i couldn't stop watching.

I heard kode 9 doing some weird kind of beat juggling with neverland once that was pretty dope.

UFO over easy wrote:I doubt it.. but for me he's still the most exciting DJ in dubstep at the moment along with Mala. Neither of them are tight, but the way the sets flow and the variety just blows everyone else out of the water.

Its all about N-TYPE at the moment for me. Blowing the shit out of everywhere! His set at fwd on the 30th was unreal.