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Surface_Tension wrote:Corporations in Art Community Exploitation Shocker!!!!11

gragy10 wrote:

Surface_Tension wrote:Corporations in Art Community Exploitation Shocker!!!!11

Cheap lol.
But seriously, underground, mainstream, crossover.. who gives a fuck?
Make, play, promote and listen to music you wanna hear, don't fuck anyone else over and go out of your way to get paid fairly for the work you're putting in.
It's not that complicated really.
Noto to mention that bracketing any sort of sponsorship/endorsement from established brands as 'evil-corporations-come-to-soil-MY-Dubstep' is 6th form politics at it's worst.
Case in point - Red Bull are a fucking enormous multi-national with hundreds of millions of pounds at their disposal for marketing but their music academies are run by people who seriously know their shit, endorsed by people the calibre of Mala and Martyn (coincidentally 2 aretists who strike me as pretty focussed on artistic integrity), and provide an amazing platform for up and comers.
(No i don't work for red bull, rbma is just the first example that springs to mind)

EMU wrote:everybodys sucking someones cock it seems..

whatever anybodys point is, this thread and the under/overtones of this whole discussion is counter productive and is creating a wider schizm than there already is. bellybelle you nailed it, btw.

the people getting success will always be hated, and scrutinized and the people that arent will always go underground and each is essential in its own way. black white yin yang..."LIFE IS PAIN, anyone who tells you different is selling something" everyones selling something. where is the line that determines selling 'out'?? who decides this??

i think the people that are clinging on to 'their' scene so hard and trying to control it and letting their emotions rage are doing so because its all they have and the only thing they live for and thats admirable, but i think despiration is an easy scent to pick up and is also counterproductive and not a good way to get what you want.

bitterness should be a fuel to your passion to do bigger and better more positive things, not to lash out and cause rivalries or take sides or passive aggressive jabs at people or groups of people. the greatest revenge is success. so get your success. everyone. i wish you all great success. but gaining success by creating rivals and feeding upon peoples emotions and loyalties is not the way to do it, please find a more positive direction. i implore you.

everyone has different motivations and i think its fruitless to hate on someone elses hustle, if thats what they want to do its what they want to do, and trying to tell someone how to live their life or blasting someone or a group of people or an event or a club because something that belongs to everyone is changing in ways that you dont like is ridiculous to me, and incredibly selfish. this music is everyones. it belongs to the world. its always evolving in multiple dimensions and wont stop for ANYONE.

A-D-A-P-T or fall by the wayside. appreciate change. embrace it.

if you dont like it anymore, do what we did at the beginning of this whole chapter. and create something new and amazing on your own. the ones who were there in LA from caseys to the higgins, we were ALL there. and we did great things. please try and remember those days and strive for that unity once again. if youre that desperate to control a scene, make one of your own and see how long it takes for it to be taken over. because it will. its the nature of things...

sorry for the novel but this whole thing is ridiculous and i think people need to step back a second and think about what theyre doing and saying and how its dividing more than bringing together. isnt that what you want in the first place kamala? these corporations arent doing anything near as bad to our scene as the people with so much bitterness that they feel the need to take sides or join teams.

family people! lets keep things positive and moving forward and try and be a little more cooperative. eh?

EMU wrote:everybodys sucking someones cock it seems..

whatever anybodys point is, this thread and the under/overtones of this whole discussion is counter productive and is creating a wider schizm than there already is. bellybelle you nailed it, btw.

the people getting success will always be hated, and scrutinized and the people that arent will always go underground and each is essential in its own way. black white yin yang..."LIFE IS PAIN, anyone who tells you different is selling something" everyones selling something. where is the line that determines selling 'out'?? who decides this??

i think the people that are clinging on to 'their' scene so hard and trying to control it and letting their emotions rage are doing so because its all they have and the only thing they live for and thats admirable, but i think despiration is an easy scent to pick up and is also counterproductive and not a good way to get what you want.

bitterness should be a fuel to your passion to do bigger and better more positive things, not to lash out and cause rivalries or take sides or passive aggressive jabs at people or groups of people. the greatest revenge is success. so get your success. everyone. i wish you all great success. but gaining success by creating rivals and feeding upon peoples emotions and loyalties is not the way to do it, please find a more positive direction. i implore you.

everyone has different motivations and i think its fruitless to hate on someone elses hustle, if thats what they want to do its what they want to do, and trying to tell someone how to live their life or blasting someone or a group of people or an event or a club because something that belongs to everyone is changing in ways that you dont like is ridiculous to me, and incredibly selfish. this music is everyones. it belongs to the world. its always evolving in multiple dimensions and wont stop for ANYONE.

A-D-A-P-T or fall by the wayside. appreciate change. embrace it.

if you dont like it anymore, do what we did at the beginning of this whole chapter. and create something new and amazing on your own. the ones who were there in LA from caseys to the higgins, we were ALL there. and we did great things. please try and remember those days and strive for that unity once again. if youre that desperate to control a scene, make one of your own and see how long it takes for it to be taken over. because it will. its the nature of things...

sorry for the novel but this whole thing is ridiculous and i think people need to step back a second and think about what theyre doing and saying and how its dividing more than bringing together. isnt that what you want in the first place kamala? these corporations arent doing anything near as bad to our scene as the people with so much bitterness that they feel the need to take sides or join teams.

family people! lets keep things positive and moving forward and try and be a little more cooperative. eh?

human? wrote:gladly go to a scion party and say fuck toyota at the same time.....

lukki wrote:

human? wrote:

lukki wrote:

yeh, its cry baby "hating" to question when the 5th largest company in the world become the biggest promoter of dubstep in the US....



lol...

lukki wrote:

human? wrote:

lukki wrote:

yeh, its cry baby "hating" to question when the 5th largest company in the world become the biggest promoter of dubstep in the US....



lol...

Ok, interesting translation you did there. I'm curious what you will extrapolate from this:



(No doubt you will assume its a message to and about you)

lukki wrote:

human? wrote:

lukki wrote:

yeh, its cry baby "hating" to question when the 5th largest company in the world become the biggest promoter of dubstep in the US....



lol...

Pardon me, I see you're cracking yourself up there but I disagree with your hilariousness.


Its not hating or crybaby whining to question, its crybaby whining when you start blaming them for "your" scene not going in the direction you want.





ROFL
(Now I'm doing it, this internet stuff is fun! I should really spend more time here complaining about my scene!)

kamala wrote:
i'm feelin' the need to express my distaste for corporations throwing dubstep shows.

Scion has done a few tours in the states now, and although they tend to book good dj's and producers, they go about throwing their events in mainstream clubs (at least in los angeles) that attract people in to dubstep that are not about the music at all, but instead about the trend. These types of mainstream venues tend to pull in crowds that have no love for the music subculture they are jumping into, and therefore do not treat the community with respect.

This leaves our scene open to more violence and drama at parties than would happen if it were kept as an underground, word of mouth community. At the recent scion show in Los Angeles there was a number of fights, people shoving other people around and elbowing on the dance floor, people throwing food at each other, and other behavior that just demonstrates a blatant disregard for the actual dubstep community. When the true LA dubstep promoters throw their parties, even at 800 person warehouse shows, it's still a family thing. It's still got good vibes where people are coming together for the common love of something, and are unified by that common love. At mainstream venues there is no community or common love, just wolves out for their night of hunting.

I have been partying in LA for over 10 years now, and from what I have seen the most violence always occurs at events where corporations like clear channel get involved and try to blow the spot up and cash out on our movement. In fact, the drum and bass scene here was greatly effected by a violent murder that happened at a clear channel venue.

The recent scion tour was linked to clear channel and utilized a number of clear channel venues, and anyone who knows about clear channel knows they are just one of those corporate vampires who feeds off the vulnerability of the masses. They control a huge chunk of the american media and have repeatedly demonstrated that they have no respect for the underground culture that fuels our music. If they had respect for the music and culture they would go about getting involved in a way that doesn't blow the spot out of proportion all quick-like, but instead feeds it as it grows and develops.

i know that these types of tours are appealing to performers as they get to travel and are paid very well, but i would strongly encourage any dj that is offered the opportunity to think thoroughly about what they are doing to the culture by perpetuating corporate involvement. corporate parties like this put a mainstream magnifying glass on our tightly knit subculture which quickly blows it up and burns it out, and in the long run leaves the true soldiers high and dry.

i am not saying that mainstream is bad, or that dubstep should be kept a secret. But what i AM saying is that we should not allow the direction of our music and culture to be controlled by corporations who have no genuine connection to it. We should be supporting each other and sticking together, keeping it in the hands of the community and keeping it real.. so that WE are the ones who benefit for the long haul when dubstep comes up.

just my $0.02 .. take it or leave it ..

drksteppa wrote:

kamala wrote:
i'm feelin' the need to express my distaste for corporations throwing dubstep shows.

Scion has done a few tours in the states now, and although they tend to book good dj's and producers, they go about throwing their events in mainstream clubs (at least in los angeles) that attract people in to dubstep that are not about the music at all, but instead about the trend. These types of mainstream venues tend to pull in crowds that have no love for the music subculture they are jumping into, and therefore do not treat the community with respect.

This leaves our scene open to more violence and drama at parties than would happen if it were kept as an underground, word of mouth community. At the recent scion show in Los Angeles there was a number of fights, people shoving other people around and elbowing on the dance floor, people throwing food at each other, and other behavior that just demonstrates a blatant disregard for the actual dubstep community. When the true LA dubstep promoters throw their parties, even at 800 person warehouse shows, it's still a family thing. It's still got good vibes where people are coming together for the common love of something, and are unified by that common love. At mainstream venues there is no community or common love, just wolves out for their night of hunting.

I have been partying in LA for over 10 years now, and from what I have seen the most violence always occurs at events where corporations like clear channel get involved and try to blow the spot up and cash out on our movement. In fact, the drum and bass scene here was greatly effected by a violent murder that happened at a clear channel venue.

The recent scion tour was linked to clear channel and utilized a number of clear channel venues, and anyone who knows about clear channel knows they are just one of those corporate vampires who feeds off the vulnerability of the masses. They control a huge chunk of the american media and have repeatedly demonstrated that they have no respect for the underground culture that fuels our music. If they had respect for the music and culture they would go about getting involved in a way that doesn't blow the spot out of proportion all quick-like, but instead feeds it as it grows and develops.

i know that these types of tours are appealing to performers as they get to travel and are paid very well, but i would strongly encourage any dj that is offered the opportunity to think thoroughly about what they are doing to the culture by perpetuating corporate involvement. corporate parties like this put a mainstream magnifying glass on our tightly knit subculture which quickly blows it up and burns it out, and in the long run leaves the true soldiers high and dry.

i am not saying that mainstream is bad, or that dubstep should be kept a secret. But what i AM saying is that we should not allow the direction of our music and culture to be controlled by corporations who have no genuine connection to it. We should be supporting each other and sticking together, keeping it in the hands of the community and keeping it real.. so that WE are the ones who benefit for the long haul when dubstep comes up.

just my $0.02 .. take it or leave it ..

Very well said amy! I can't stand these moronic-thuggish-ruggish to punkrock cats coming out and showing NO respect to the dubstep community and making it worst for the rest of us. This is what kills the scene and ereyone around it. I did and did NOT enjoy the joker show this past week. Why? I was standing up by the stage and some moronic idiot comes out of nowhere, starts dancing by pushing me. I asked him nicely about 4-5 times to "please stop pushing while you are dancing" then he continues it. By the 6th time, I asked him again and he calls me a "homophobe." right then an there, I had my fists cluntched and rdy to brawl cause him and his boys got up in my face so i took my palm to his homies face and said "Back the fuck up bitch"While this whole thing is going on, I asked the guy "Do you see anyone else doing the same thing your doing" and he replies with "stfu" If homie wanted to brawl, I aint with it but, if it comes at me, I aint gonna bitch out. Imma brawl with the fool. But srsly tho, YOU COME CORRECT OR YOU DONT COME AT ALL! this is why events NEED to be 21+!!! maturity level of the crowd is whack when it is 18+. The dubstep scene doesnt need a buncha fuckin morons ruining the scene. Im sorry! shit like this pisses me off.

-boring wrote:i dont see diplo repping rusko as a problem tho, when he came to buffalo he played a TON of dubstep

SAM XL wrote:Fuck everyone and their PC bullshit.
BENGA DESTROYED IT TONITE AS DID SKREAM ON TUESDAY, 16BIT & J DA FLEX THE OTHER WEEK, FLYLO, GASLAMP & RAS G THE WEEK BEFORE, ON AND ON THE LIST GOES ON...

SCION AND THE REST OF YOU COCKSUCKING MINIONS CAN DO WHAT YOU DO BEST...SUCK IT!

PURE FILTH CRUSH'S ALL YOUR SORRY ASS ATTEMPT'S WITH YOUR WEAK FUNCTION ONE'S, TURBO RIG'S WHATEVER...I DON'T CARE HOW MUCH MONEY YOU HAVE TO SPEND...
BRING IT ON AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO BASH YOU UNTIL YOU EITHER WAKE THE FUCK UP OR UNTIL U GO BACK TO ORANGE COUNTY.

THIS IS A PUBLIC SERVICE ANOUNCEMENT...DO NOT TRY AND TEST THE PURE FILTH SOUND, COS WHEN IT COME TO SOUND BIZZNESS IT IS WE THAT RUN THE SCENE.

YOU CAN TAKE YOUR BOTTLE SERVICE V.I.P BULLSHIT AND FUCK THE FUCK OFF.
YEAH I SAID IT...WOT?