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and whoever said Hawtin 'props up' Villalobos -- total sourface. reason why you have to love Ricardo is because you know he's going to play fucking Digital Mystikz in the middle of a minimal set... dude just goes with the flow. which means he can crash horribly, but he can also provide the most incredible moments of musical epipahny (honest).

I saw Villalobos at Sonar this year and he was fuckin' SHITE

It was all about modeselektor who were ACE

seems a bit of an odd comparison, theyre quite a long way apart...

it makes sense that you would like modeselektor, given how much dancehall, hip-hop and grime are evidently influencing their sound, but villalobos is a completely different kettle of fish

i guess i just dont like it being framed as a matter of objectivity

@ Elgato

Yep bit of an odd comparison agreed, but I was thinking back to Sonar... highlights, lowpoints etc, and that's what sprung to my mind.

Villalobos was a particular lowpoint... my techno mate dragged me along promising me it would be great, it really really wasn't.

Modeselektor however sprung into my mind as I remembered them being a real treat!!

i know what you mean

i guess my issue (albeit a bit anal) is with this kind of language:

Dub boy wrote:it really really wasn't.

in that you really really didnt enjoy it, but thats not to say that it was objectively bad

if you know what i mean

Sonar By Night isn't the best environment to see him in anyway... way better atmosphere for something like Modeselektor than anything you're meant to get 'lost' in

Ricardo can be funky
Ricardo can be shit
He sometimes plays dubstep
The End.

Obviously my comments are my opinions chaps

Just cos i thought he was shite doesn't mean he IS shite, so to speak. I found him extremely dull... it was him and Hawtin b2b If memory serves. As far as I was concerned it was deadly boring.

Dub boy wrote:Obviously my comments are my opinions chaps

Just cos i thought he was shite doesn't mean he IS shite, so to speak. I found him extremely dull... it was him and Hawtin b2b If memory serves. As far as I was concerned it was deadly boring.

i can understand, even if i love dickardo.
i've seen him a couple of times, sometimes he plays a fucking mind-blowing set, sometimes he's plain boring. maybe with fucked-up geniuses you just have to be lucky

resolved wrote:and whoever said Hawtin 'props up' Villalobos -- total sourface. reason why you have to love Ricardo is because you know he's going to play fucking Digital Mystikz in the middle of a minimal set... dude just goes with the flow. which means he can crash horribly, but he can also provide the most incredible moments of musical epipahny (honest).

Yeah i dont think im being a sour face i think anyone thats paid as much as villalobos is paid to do a DJ set and makes terrible mistakes in several of the back to back sets i have seen him do with hawtin is letting the team down dont you?

On a completely different note just cause a dj plays a track by the digital mystikz in my mind doesnt make them a good dj if the other 60% of what they play is boring as dutch toast with spam.

dunno, when I've seen him b2b w/ Hawtin, Richie was the dull one. pure knob twiddling techno. probably varies from gig to gig, I think when they're really 'on' you're not able to tell who's selecting what. they're probably only really with it when they have a long, long time to settle into the groove, i.e. not a festival headlining slot.

also, compared to practically ever other minimal techno DJ (especially Hawtin!), I don't think you can call the majority of what he plays dull. he takes a lot of risks selection-wise and covers a wide selection of styles. sometimes he does get locked into tedium, but eh... the unpredictability is endearing (it has nothing to do with the specific selection of DMZ!)

http://dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=119715#119715

that mix i did

Let's hope he'll drop some Plastician beats on one of those back 2 backs he does with Hawtin

By the way, maybe some of his production is ok, but his dj sets are completely boring for me, maybe I became saturated because where I live everybody likes minimal techno, and you can't go anywhere without listening to the same tunes over and over. But, for me, most of the Minus/Kompakt/Trapez/etc. stuff since two years or so is really redundant. Also, most of these people act like rockstars, which makes me want to forget them.

elgato wrote:http://dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=119715#119715

that mix i did

Looks interesting - unfortunately Sendspace seems to keep telling me that I've exceeded my download limit before I've downloaded anything. 1gb - bollox