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noam wrote:by far one of the best documentaries i've ever seen

At first I thought this was a clever swipe at El Topo

baron_von_carlton wrote:

New-born porn
I feel like i should have found it to be more shocking.

too comedy to be serious innit

What exactly is new born porn?

Terpit wrote:What exactly is new born porn?

NSFW

Vukmir meets a hesitant Miloš afterward to explain his artistic style, showing a film of a woman giving birth to a newborn which is immediately raped by Raša, in what the director terms "newborn porn."

/NSFW

Wow

Dear god.... How does anyone find that artistic....

It does h ave a nice ring to it

noam wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Watche ... _series%29

by far one of the best documentaries i've ever seen

Possibly the best thing ever broadcast on the BBC, blew my mind for months, showed it to everyone I thought worthy. Puts shit like Zeitgeist in it's place. Adam Curtis should either be knighted or assassinated, either way he needs more attention.

wubstep wrote:

noam wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Watche ... _series%29

by far one of the best documentaries i've ever seen

Possibly the best thing ever broadcast on the BBC, blew my mind for months, showed it to everyone I thought worthy. Puts shit like Zeitgeist in it's place. Adam Curtis should either be knighted or assassinated, either way he needs more attention.

i think you're right

his work on politics and fear is bloody brilliant too if you haven't seen that yet

In Bruges is great yeah. Check out The Guard too. Brendan Gleeson needs to be in way more films...

@VicarOfDub
I kind of hated Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back. Jason Mewes did a great job basically carrying the whole movie, but I just didn't like the tone and mass celebrity cameo thing. Funnily enough there is a fan edit floating around that I really liked more. It's much longer as he inserted 39 extended and deleted scenes seamlessly. Check it out, it's called Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back Harder by nOmArch.

25th Hour

^^ Great film




Great idea, great selection of actors...something not quite there

The Dictator

wubstep wrote:

noam wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Watche ... _series%29

by far one of the best documentaries i've ever seen

Possibly the best thing ever broadcast on the BBC, blew my mind for months, showed it to everyone I thought worthy. Puts shit like Zeitgeist in it's place. Adam Curtis should either be knighted or assassinated, either way he needs more attention.

I really rate Adam Curtis but Machines of Loving Grace is severely problematic. His interpretation of the events he talks about is a little simplistic to say the least. The problem is he makes some assertions which are incorrect and then bases other presumptions on these misinterpretations. Which unfortunately makes his overall arguement very shaky. Now, he has made some of the most incisive, challenging programming out there but I think there is a danger of taking everything he now says as the word of god without really interrogating what he's looking at.

node wrote:

wubstep wrote:

noam wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Watche ... _series%29

by far one of the best documentaries i've ever seen

Possibly the best thing ever broadcast on the BBC, blew my mind for months, showed it to everyone I thought worthy. Puts shit like Zeitgeist in it's place. Adam Curtis should either be knighted or assassinated, either way he needs more attention.

I really rate Adam Curtis but Machines of Loving Grace is severely problematic. His interpretation of the events he talks about is a little simplistic to say the least. The problem is he makes some assertions which are incorrect and then bases other presumptions on these misinterpretations. Which unfortunately makes his overall arguement very shaky. Now, he has made some of the most incisive, challenging programming out there but I think there is a danger of taking everything he now says as the word of god without really interrogating what he's looking at.

yeh i kinda thought this would be the case, its more the way he constructs his narrative out of what seem like totally unique and independent events which i found so impressive

so which bits are incorrect then according to Node??

He said that in the 60s there was a kind of fatalism about progress, he even found someone to say belief in evolution was a way of thinking that meant people passively accepted the system currently was natural and inevitable. He used film from fiction to illustrate his points, which is a bit odd. It's a huge area he goes through in each documentary and it often gets a bit generalised and selective.
Fantastic execution every time though. Thats why its so seductive! I WANT Adam Curtis to be right about everything

The only aspect which i found really disturbing was that he wore the same jacket throughout the film, no apparent bloodstains despite numerous messy murders

node wrote:He said that in the 60s there was a kind of fatalism about progress, he even found someone to say belief in evolution was a way of thinking that meant people passively accepted the system currently was natural and inevitable. He used film from fiction to illustrate his points, which is a bit odd. It's a huge area he goes through in each documentary and it often gets a bit generalised and selective.
Fantastic execution every time though. Thats why its so seductive! I WANT Adam Curtis to be right about everything

oh ye its mad stylised, the scenes from fictional movies etc. are all purposely designed to symbolise the points he's making, but i wouldn't say to prove them, there's a difference i reckon.

im struggling to see your point about the 60's, is it just that you think its far too general?? if so then yea, i definitely agree, but i think its so good because he's painting history in his view, he's creating a story using facts specifically designed to provide a counter-point to conventional ideology

the way he picks Ayn Rand is great, she's someone that i'd never heard of before the film, links it through to her influence on some of the head honcho's in Silicon Valley, links that back to the Congo and evolutionary scientists going crazy etc.

its brilliant

there's a guy in it who designed 'systems' for IBM and its like Adam Curtis has done the same, he uses evolutionary biology and all that theory about eco-systems to create his own eco-system, how life on Earth, and Man, have been shaped by the invention of the machine.

Yeah it is too generalised basically, I meant that he is making a counter-point to the conventional ideology and it's put forward as his 'truth'. On first watching I just accepted what he was saying and I think a lot of people would. It's only through talking to my folks about Ayn Rand, the eco-systems and ecologists involved in this period as were very up on what was going on in the period of time he talks about and strongly disagreed with Curtis's standpoint. Obviously they could be completly wrong in their view of such things but I think on rewatching what I could see was how Curtis builds up his arguement with 'straw men'...putting forward a simplistic explanation of what, say, those social experiments were trying to achieve and then dismissing them at the end of this first program. Also giving weight to the vision of some people that they could see where everything was going whereas really nobody could really say. I think its the unbalanced way the arguement is made that is disappointing basically.

okay, so with relation to that, when he interviews people he CLEARLY adopts a strong editorial standpoint when it comes to some of them

but for the most part, these are people reliving their real life relationships with the 'characters' involved... when it comes to that, if we're talking about supporting hypotheses he's getting direct empirical evidence to support the view

history isn't a science and balance isn't [as] important

its not like A-level where you state your case for and against and at the end you pick one that sounds better, its more like a prosecution in a way

i kind of liked that.. and when it comes to Ayn Rand i really dont have much time anyway, reading up on her views after the fact was disappointing to say the least