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SCope13 wrote:What's with people hating on minimal stuff?

because:

1. people associate it with generic netlabel bullshit ala minus (check out beatport's minimal chart to see what i mean)
2. right now its only fashionable to like thumping 90s revivalist house and techno

minimal has been big for the past decade. people started jumping on the bandwagon producing mountains of derivative shite. the brostep of techno/house you might say.

Shum wrote:minimal has been big for the past decade. people started jumping on the bandwagon producing mountains of derivative shite. the brostep of techno/house you might say.

haha i dunno a lot of the derivative minimal stuff is absolute shite but i'd say the new prog house and electro house shit thats all the rage the now takes the award for 'brostep of house and techno' lool

the main problem for me is its one of those genres where the style of music shifted over time too (a bit like dubstep > brostep i suppose) - minimal techno was originally coined for music that was stripped down and more subtle compared to what was being made at the time (early 90s to early 00s), stuff like robert hood, daniel bell, maurizio, mike ink/wolfgang voigt, plastikman etc. then richie hawtin got his emo haircut, it hit ibiza and turned into the clicky trendy bullshit we know it as nowadays.

case in point compare something made in 1996 on profan - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHjbGjKq ... el&list=UL

to the shit most people call minimal today - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Higs7HIkWjw

Shum wrote:the brostep of techno/house you might say.

I don't think it's related in the same way though, I don't listen to this new minus minmal techno but I can stil dance to it and appreciate it if your at a club, alot of people i know into house & techno say the same thing too. Where people who like dubstep know brostep is just shit, wherever they are.

Agent 47 wrote:

Shum wrote:the brostep of techno/house you might say.

I don't think it's related in the same way though, I don't listen to this new minus minmal techno but I can stil dance to it and appreciate it if your at a club, alot of people i know into house & techno say the same thing too. Where people who like dubstep know brostep is just shit, wherever they are.

from what i've seen online a lot of purist techno fans despise anything with the minimal techno tag as much as people hate brostep on here and go as far to distance stuff that used to be called 'minimal' that was actually good from whats called minimal today. i suppose that they have a point as to me most of the 'mnml' stuff made nowadays is closer to cheesy tech/prog house than original minimal techno .

although i suppose at the same time a lot of the bitching you see from purist techno fans occurs on the internet and it might not really reflect majority opinion in real life. I don't mind some of that stuff - magda's she's a dancing machine mix and hawtins de9 mixes are pretty good still IMO but the generic netlabel stuff really reflects badly on the genre as a whole and is what a lot of people associate with the name.

That Andy Stott song I posted seems pretty damn minimal to me, yet I see nothing bro about it. Certainly not music for the masses.

SCope13 wrote:That Andy Stott song I posted seems pretty damn minimal to me, yet I see nothing bro about it. Certainly not music for the masses.

thats cause andy stott is quality and doesn't make shit like this:



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^THAT sort of stuff is the epitome of trendy shitty 'minimal' from 2006-2008

minimal has become a buzzword for any shitty clickity track that sounds like someone put it together in ableton with vengeance loops in about 5 minutes. it's a misnomer too since most of the tracks are anything but minimal! most of it sound like prog house if you take away the trance chords and add more annoying white noise breakdowns, 808 toms, clicks and sonar pings.

anyway lol i don't want to derail this quality thread into a minimal techno debate - theres loads of good minimal techno that doesn't fall into the above description - labels like perlon, profan, chain reaction, kompakt (and kompakt extra), force inc (and force tracks), playhouse, m-plant. it just gets a bad rap overall because of what most people think minimal is.

Lol as far as minimal goes, one of the most extreme minimal and dare I say 'pretentious' albums I own is CM von Hausswolff - Leech. It's just bursts of noise and grains. It was kinda cool for a drug induced gimmick but I didn't really listen to it much after the novelty wore off. It was stuff like that I think that turned the whole 'minimal techno' thing into a self-parody.

Mmmmmmm

Best tune ever.

SCope13 wrote:That Andy Stott song I posted seems pretty damn minimal to me, yet I see nothing bro about it. Certainly not music for the masses.

Yeah I dont think you know what minimal is, minimal isn't a description for a track that hasnt got much going on, its a genre name. Theres plenty of good techno that is minimal, but not much good minimal techno.

Ah, ok, I kinda wondered if that was the case. So I should just refrain from calling stuff like Andy Stott minimal?

yeah andy stott isn't 'minimal' - he likes to call his brand of techno 'knackered house' lol

technically it is minimal though

Recent Tresor goodness......

Been caning this Rrose mix for a while now. The RA mix he(?) did ain't too bad but isn't as good as this IMO.

http://www.electronique.it/podcastA2448 ... 5D_E-P-153

Shum wrote:minimal has been big for the past decade. people started jumping on the bandwagon producing mountains of derivative shite. the brostep of techno/house you might say.

ghosts n stuff was considered 'minimal house'..... so that just reinforces your idea

British Murder Boys are back. Real techno.

Feelin' a lot of the stuff being pumped out of Tiga's Turbo Recordings as of late.

Clouds - Sonic Swamp
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Clouds - Consciousness (Sunil Sharpe Remix)
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Gingy & Bordello - Iron and Water (Kevin McPhee Remix)
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Nautiluss - Sabbath
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Nautiluss - Cloud City
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And a new one from Untold - Kane not on Turbo though. This one rules.
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Kane picks up a nagging post-punk baseline and drives it like Marty McFly through three decades of club music.

big up Northampton



Whoever was talking about minimal, this is the only good minimal. not that i've listened to any other minimal, what'd be the point

that and fizheuer zieheuer BOSH THAT KET SON