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rockonin wrote:So whats the current situation now? I don't really watch tv. So don't really keep up the bullshit news media outlets.

DiegoSapiens wrote:

rockonin wrote:So whats the current situation now? I don't really watch tv. So don't really keep up the bullshit news media outlets.

beginning of a civil war

OGLemon wrote:

DiegoSapiens wrote:

rockonin wrote:So whats the current situation now? I don't really watch tv. So don't really keep up the bullshit news media outlets.

beginning of a civil war

Ukraine supporters vs Russian supporters vs BDL

Phigure wrote:yeah basically russia wants ukraine (at least eastern for now) and in the power vacuum, the biggest opposition group to pro russia supporters are far right ultranationalists

Ukrainian President Poroshenko says he's ending ceasefire against pro-Russian separatists; says Ukrainian forces will 'attack and free our lands' - statement via @Reuters

Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777-200 flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur was allegedly shot down by a group of Russian-backed Cossack militants near the village of Chornukhine, Luhansk Oblast, some 80 kilometers north-west of Donetsk, according to recordings of intercepted phone calls between Russian military intelligence officers and members of terrorist groups, released by the country’s security agency (SBU).

One phone call apparently was made at 4:40 p.m. Kyiv time, or 20 minutes after the plane crash, by Igor Bezler, who the SBU says is a Russian military intelligence officer and leading commander of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic. He reports to a person identified by Ukraine’s SBU as a colonel in the main intelligence department of the general headquarters of the armed forces of the Russian Federation Vasili Geranin regarding the shot down plane, which is about to be examined by the militants.

The second intercepted conversation released by the Security Service of Ukraine was apparently between militants nicknamed “Major” and “Greek” immediately upon inspection of the crash site. 

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“It’s 100 percent a passenger (civilian) aircraft,” Major is recorded as saying, as he admitted to seeing no weapons on site. “Absolutely nothing. Civilian items, medicinal stuff, towels, toilet paper.” 

In the third part of conversation Cossack commander Nikolay Kozitsin talking to an unidentified militant cynically suggests that the Malaysia Airlines airplane could've been carrying spies, as, otherwise, it would have no business flying in that area.

Read the full transcript of an intercepted phone call below: 

Igor Bezler: We have just shot down a plane. Group Minera. It fell down beyond Yenakievo (Donetsk Oblast).

Vasili Geranin: Pilots. Where are the pilots?

IB: Gone to search for and photograph the plane. Its smoking.

VG: How many minutes ago?

IB: About 30 minutes ago.

SBU comment: After examining the site of the plane the terrorists come to the conclusion that they have shot down a civilian plane. The next part of the conversation took place about 40 minutes later.

“Major”: These are Chernukhin folks who shot down the plane. From the Chernukhin check point. Those cossacks who are based in Chernukhino.

“Grek”: Yes, Major.

"Major": The plane fell apart in the air. In the area of Petropavlovskaya mine. The first “200” (code word for dead person). We have found the first “200”. A Civilian.

“Greek”: Well, what do you have there?

“Major”: In short, it was 100 percent a passenger (civilian) aircraft.

“Greek”: Are many people there?

“Major”: Holy sh__t! The debris fell right into the yards (of homes).

“Greek”: What kind of aircraft?

“Major”: I haven’t ascertained this. I haven’t been to the main sight. I am only surveying the scene where the first bodies fell. There are the remains of internal brackets, seats and bodies.

“Greek”: Is there anything left of the weapon?

“Major”: Absolutely nothing. Civilian items, medicinal stuff, towels, toilet paper.

“Greek”: Are there documents?

“Major”: Yes, of one Indonesian student. From a university in Thompson. 

Militant: Regarding the plane shot down in the area of Snizhne-Torez. It’s a civilian one. Fell down near Grabove. There are lots of corpses of women and children. The Cossacks are out there looking at all this.

They say on TV it’s AN-26 transport plane, but they say it’s written Malaysia Airlines on the plane. What was it doing on Ukraine’s territory?

Nikolay Kozitsin: That means they were carrying spies. They shouldn’t be f…cking flying. There is a war going on.

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KIEV: Social Media to the Ukrainian rebel commander said his group fired a military transport aircraft in the same location on Malaysia Airlines plane crashed near the Russian border, today.

The report by the top military commander who declare themselves as "Donetsk People's Republic" suggests, the separatists had mistakenly opened fire on MAS, which believe it large military transport aircraft Ukraine.

"We just shot down the new An-26 near Torez," said Igor Strelkov owned VK page, which is often quoted in the Ukrainian media reports.

Separatist groups to shoot down an aircraft An-26 in eastern Ukraine on June 14, killing 49 government civil servant.

"We have warned (the armed forces of Ukraine) not to fly in our airspace," said Strelkov in postingnya.

"And this is the video confirmed 'bird fall' (aircraft)," according to the posting. - AFP