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classical conservatism (if thats what you mean by "at its core") is the fucking worst, i'm sorry to say.


if you're just talking about neoconservatism in the uk...still shitty imo

i think classic conservatism's probably better than neoconservatism cos it at least pretends to care about the poor (if only to stop them revolting against the elite)

conservatism and liberalism (both neo and classical) are both fucking shit

conservatism and liberalism (both neo and classical) are both fucking shit

and what about social liberalism

what about liberal socialism

communism>>

progressivism is about as far to the right as I'm willing to respect

kidshuffle wrote:classical conservatism (if thats what you mean by "at its core") is the fucking worst, i'm sorry to say.

Any ideology that supports the rights for gays to get married and is anti-imperialism/imperialism, or who's founder says that George Bush needs to be strung to the whitehouse lawn for war crimes, is fine in my book.

Neoconservatism has its roots in Trotskyism. Not conservatism.

I'm an anarchist, but probably a lot closer to Old Right conservatism than say... Sarah Palin or Mitt Romney.

But it all depends on context. I'm sure 'American conservatism' is different from European conservatism

Genevieve wrote:

kidshuffle wrote:classical conservatism (if thats what you mean by "at its core") is the fucking worst, i'm sorry to say.

Any ideology that supports the rights for gays to get married and is anti-imperialism/imperialism, or who's founder says that George Bush needs to be strung to the whitehouse lawn for war crimes, is fine in my book.

I know you've mentioned this before, but I'm ignorant here, care to expound on this or post a link about this guy?

SCope13 wrote:

Genevieve wrote:

kidshuffle wrote:classical conservatism (if thats what you mean by "at its core") is the fucking worst, i'm sorry to say.

Any ideology that supports the rights for gays to get married and is anti-imperialism/imperialism, or who's founder says that George Bush needs to be strung to the whitehouse lawn for war crimes, is fine in my book.

I'm ignorant here, care to expound on this or post a link about this guy?

Mixed it up (cuz I don't explicitely recall him making a statement about gay marriage, but old right conservatism opposes government involvement in marriage). But Russell Kirk, the founder of American conservatism (and writer of 'The Conservative Mind') wrote that about George HW Bush.

The ideology was in response to the New Dealist approach to foreign policy (large, liberty destroying, expensive, big government imperialism) and selling out traditional free marketism of the "new right". It was influenced by the writings of Hayek and von Mises, who laid the foundation for libertarianism (and Von Mises even laid the foundations of free market anarchism... Hayek himself said that had he born later, he would've been a market anarchist).

The guy wasn't a fan of libertarianism later in life and I probably wouldn't have much in common with him personally, but he's got a lot of things right and influenced some solid people (despite him arguing from a very religious point of view, which I don't think makes for solid logic). Barry Goldwater is another old rightist.

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Most of Tarantino's films are average

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Tom Penny's style ain't all that.

This may be because I'm underage, but possession by consumption laws are over the top IMO

actress is a bit boring tho

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Genevieve wrote:

SCope13 wrote:

Genevieve wrote:

kidshuffle wrote:classical conservatism (if thats what you mean by "at its core") is the fucking worst, i'm sorry to say.

Any ideology that supports the rights for gays to get married and is anti-imperialism/imperialism, or who's founder says that George Bush needs to be strung to the whitehouse lawn for war crimes, is fine in my book.

I'm ignorant here, care to expound on this or post a link about this guy?

Mixed it up (cuz I don't explicitely recall him making a statement about gay marriage, but old right conservatism opposes government involvement in marriage). But Russell Kirk, the founder of American conservatism (and writer of 'The Conservative Mind') wrote that about George HW Bush.

"American" Conservatism =/= Classical Conservatism even though they share similar values.


Either way, here are Kirks main points; how can you even support them for the most part? He was a nutter.

1)A belief in a transcendent order, which Kirk described variously as based in tradition, divine revelation, or natural law;
2)An affection for the "variety and mystery" of human existence;
3)A conviction that society requires orders and classes that emphasize "natural" distinctions;
4)A belief that property and freedom are closely linked;
5)A faith in custom, convention, and prescription, and
6)A recognition that innovation must be tied to existing traditions and customs, which entails a respect for the political value of prudence.

Old conservatism also would be all about the government deciding who can marry and who can't, since, for the most part, religious values are very important to them.

I think you're getting mixed up with classical liberals