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Re: Isn't it time to divide Dubstep into subgenres?

Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:46 pm
by computerface
People who divide music into subgenres aren't the people who care about the music.

Listen to what you like, and don't ask anybody to tell you what to listen to.

Also, not your personal army.

Re: Isn't it time to divide Dubstep into subgenres?

Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:54 pm
by fractal
Reamz wrote:
seckle wrote:confusion is the best thing about this genre. confusion means that people can't digest & consume it easily. the sub-genre thing in dubstep has been debated and talked about since 2005 on this site. its nothing new.
You really do talk some bollocks mate
no, that's actually a true and valid point

but speaking of "bollocks"

Reamz wrote:General Discussion = Bro
SNH = Everything else

:cornlol:

Re: Isn't it time to divide Dubstep into subgenres?

Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 11:07 pm
by collige
rupert wrote:Dadstep

Made that up the other week. It's for your rootsy, subby, dubby stuff.

:D
I've actually seen that used as an insult.

Re: Isn't it time to divide Dubstep into subgenres?

Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 11:11 pm
by fractal
noway, the OG dadstep was dope as fuck!

Re: Isn't it time to divide Dubstep into subgenres?

Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 11:37 pm
by seckle
Reamz wrote:
seckle wrote:confusion is the best thing about this genre. confusion means that people can't digest & consume it easily. the sub-genre thing in dubstep has been debated and talked about since 2005 on this site. its nothing new.
You really do talk some bollocks mate
lol. LOL. and you don't? LOL...comin from you...

Re: Isn't it time to divide Dubstep into subgenres?

Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 11:54 pm
by Reese_Liar
fractal wrote:
Reamz wrote:
seckle wrote:confusion is the best thing about this genre. confusion means that people can't digest & consume it easily. the sub-genre thing in dubstep has been debated and talked about since 2005 on this site. its nothing new.
You really do talk some bollocks mate
no, that's actually a true and valid point
Agreed, making people actually invest something in the music rather than just consume and throw away is a valuable attribute of the genre.

(I hope that makes sense, either way I agree with seckle's original point.)

Re: Isn't it time to divide Dubstep into subgenres?

Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 1:18 am
by cyrusfx
Genre labels, like words, are inventions of necessity. And like life, a subgenre won't exist until there is an overwhelming need to distinguish it from its parent genre. I found this was appropriate for "Brostep," and sure enough, 2 years later people are using it transcontinentally (and here in Hawaii, too). Its actually got its own subsection in the Dubstep Wikipedia entry now.

I like to think of music as this ongoing evolution composed of all sorts of metaphorical animals we call "genres." Some wind up in forgotten cul-de-sacs and others thrive and carve the path for future species to exist. The genres that have their shit together and serve a purpose tend to thrive, whereas the ones that are made up by a dude on the internet for his own bemusement tend to fall to the wayside.

To continue the metaphor, I see dubstep as one of the most sentient of all musics; the tip of the spear of musical evolution, if you will. But as the human species is constantly evolving, something else is already in the works, soon to take dubstep's place, we just don't know what it is yet.

I like what I've heard from "future bass" and "future garage" (as well as a little moombahton now and then), but cmon, in 10 years those terms will be as meaningful as the term "future jazz" is now..

Re: Isn't it time to divide Dubstep into subgenres?

Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 1:48 am
by computerface
cyrusfx wrote:Genre labels, like words, are inventions of necessity. And like life, a subgenre won't exist until there is an overwhelming need to distinguish it from its parent genre. I found this was appropriate for "Brostep," and sure enough, 2 years later people are using it transcontinentally (and here in Hawaii, too). Its actually got its own subsection in the Dubstep Wikipedia entry now.

I like to think of music as this ongoing evolution composed of all sorts of metaphorical animals we call "genres." Some wind up in forgotten cul-de-sacs and others thrive and carve the path for future species to exist. The genres that have their shit together and serve a purpose tend to thrive, whereas the ones that are made up by a dude on the internet for his own bemusement tend to fall to the wayside.

To continue the metaphor, I see dubstep as one of the most sentient of all musics; the tip of the spear of musical evolution, if you will. But as the human species is constantly evolving, something else is already in the works, soon to take dubstep's place, we just don't know what it is yet.

I like what I've heard from "future bass" and "future garage" (as well as a little moombahton now and then), but cmon, in 10 years those terms will be as meaningful as the term "future jazz" is now..
:z:

Re: Isn't it time to divide Dubstep into subgenres?

Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 2:37 am
by _TraX_
"the sound of datsik and excision appeals more to Marilyn Manson and Nine Inch Nails fans then it does to lovers of UK Garage."
That's interesting how that works out.

Re: Isn't it time to divide Dubstep into subgenres?

Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 3:49 am
by fiveone
yong wrote:
kzero wrote: Please consider this, thanks.
It's not like there's a high dubstep consul who's going to make an official declaration of subgenres. Who are you asking to consider this?

Also: Labels have their sounds. You'll recognize them with time.
http://qkme.me/35z8uc

go forth, kzero

Re: Isn't it time to divide Dubstep into subgenres?

Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 6:08 am
by leyenda
-TraX- wrote:"the sound of datsik and excision appeals more to Marilyn Manson and Nine Inch Nails fans then it does to lovers of UK Garage."
That's interesting how that works out.
Except that doesn't work out and that Wikipedia page is fairly fucking dodgy in places (it also claims Vex'd did not focus on sub bass which is hilarious). Reznor has far more in common with Distance/Vex'd etc than he does Datsik or Excision. And I'm certain you'd find more people on this site who are fans of NIN than Excision. Manson is just shit but not particularly related to the brostep fans. Many of them liked stuff such as Bring Me the Horizon and My Chemical Romance before this.

In terms of splitting up genres it doesn't really matter what the fuck anything's called it depends on the discernible scenes. Quite frankly we all know dubstep has split into at least two scenes already which work almost entirely exclusively of one another. Most producers stick to one of the scenes, most DJs mix one of the scenes, a considerable proportion of fans only listen to one of the scenes. I mean the dubstep and future garage scenes have more overlap in terms of artists/DJs/fans than brostep does with dubstep these days. I'm not claiming there should be any official subgenres coined but anyone under the impression that Doctor P and Phaeleh belong to the same scene is deluded.

Re: Isn't it time to divide Dubstep into subgenres?

Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 4:08 pm
by wobbles
I wonder what dis new stuffs gonna be called

Re: Isn't it time to divide Dubstep into subgenres?

Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 4:10 pm
by SCope13
leyenda303 wrote:
-TraX- wrote:"the sound of datsik and excision appeals more to Marilyn Manson and Nine Inch Nails fans then it does to lovers of UK Garage."
That's interesting how that works out.
Except that doesn't work out and that Wikipedia page is fairly fucking dodgy in places (it also claims Vex'd did not focus on sub bass which is hilarious). Reznor has far more in common with Distance/Vex'd etc than he does Datsik or Excision. And I'm certain you'd find more people on this site who are fans of NIN than Excision. Manson is just shit but not particularly related to the brostep fans. Many of them liked stuff such as Bring Me the Horizon and My Chemical Romance before this.

In terms of splitting up genres it doesn't really matter what the fuck anything's called it depends on the discernible scenes. Quite frankly we all know dubstep has split into at least two scenes already which work almost entirely exclusively of one another. Most producers stick to one of the scenes, most DJs mix one of the scenes, a considerable proportion of fans only listen to one of the scenes. I mean the dubstep and future garage scenes have more overlap in terms of artists/DJs/fans than brostep does with dubstep these days. I'm not claiming there should be any official subgenres coined but anyone under the impression that Doctor P and Phaeleh belong to the same scene is deluded.
This.

And yes, that wikipedia article really blows.

Re: Isn't it time to divide Dubstep into subgenres?

Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 4:13 pm
by scattybeanhead
who cares what it's called?

Re: Isn't it time to divide Dubstep into subgenres?

Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 5:03 pm
by Laszlo

:corndance: :corndance: :corndance:

Re: Isn't it time to divide Dubstep into subgenres?

Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 5:09 pm
by ariosa
wobbles wrote:I wonder what dis new stuffs gonna be called
srebme breaks

Re: Isn't it time to divide Dubstep into subgenres?

Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 5:11 pm
by particle-jim
ariosa wrote:
wobbles wrote:I wonder what dis new stuffs gonna be called
srebme breaks
:lol: :lol: :lol: only saw that thread this morning, man i laughed hard

Re: Isn't it time to divide Dubstep into subgenres?

Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 5:21 pm
by SCope13
particle-jim wrote:
ariosa wrote:
wobbles wrote:I wonder what dis new stuffs gonna be called
srebme breaks
:lol: :lol: :lol: only saw that thread this morning, man i laughed hard

:cornlol:

I really hope that guy was trolling.

Re: Isn't it time to divide Dubstep into subgenres?

Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 5:23 pm
by extremesociety
It shouldn't have been called dubstep in the first place.

I be makin' subdub bub.

Re: Isn't it time to divide Dubstep into subgenres?

Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 5:26 pm
by Redderious
hyperbass
dubstep

don't need to be subgenres, that's just what i call it.