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Personally..I would absolutely love it if people enjoyed my music well enough to want to spread it about to everybody else. The people who pirate this music are very likely just listening to it around the house. Do you realize how many tunes there are? I'm not saying I support it but expecting somebody to pay 2 dollars for every single TRACK they like just to listen to it in the comfort of their own home...that is a ridiculous amount when it all adds up.

They can do the same thing by going and listening to it on youtube... They are not playing the tracks out. They are not profiting from them. They simply enjoy your music and want to listen to it. I know that a large chunk of this happens on youtube itself. People simply want to listen to the music but don't want to load up youtube or w/e everytime they want to hear it..so they rip the video from youtube and then seperate the audio.

It's really the same as just listening to it on youtube..is it not? You can listen as many times as you want; over and over again.

If somebody is going out and making money off of playing YOUR tracks then I think it'd be absolutely wrong to profit from your labors without first paying you. When it comes down to it..the people who are playing out, want high quality, vinyl, or just want to support the artist because they like the tunes that much...they will buy it. My guess is that most of the tunes available online are either major releases or very low bitrate versions of tunes ripped from youtube. I'd actually think "pirating" would help a new, smaller scale scene such as this to expand. Which in turn will increase the amount of money that can actually be gained from it.

Just my 2 cents.

No point in getting stressed with this stuff mate. I know quite a few pro musicians who don't even bother selling their music now, give pretty much everything away for free and just make money from gigs. If you are prolific and have a high enough output you can make just as much money.

Look at the charts to see what the big stars make off their music - Gaga only made 200 quid from a million plays of Pokerface on spotify!

I downloaded a zip of a release from a filesharing site because I was intrigued as to how easy it was to obtain....I downloaded via Rapidshare and instantly got malware on my computer, you know the old fake windows alert messages saying my computer was at risk.
How many of you filesharers are encountering this, and does it put you off downloading due to the security your computer faces?

I also telephoned Rapidshare.com because I was intrigued what they were prepared to do about this problem, and my arguement was that if i contacted them and alerted them of illegal filesharing activity that they should be banning the uploader from using their services. These type of companies surely have to be seen to take some responsibility for what's happening.

Also, I notice someone posted a google link on this thread to obtain alot of copyright audio, I think I'm correct in wanting this person to be reported to the moderators....

rapidshare wouldn't have a business if it wasn't for people spreading illegal content around. they do take things off for copyright infringement but it's a drop in the ocean compared to what exists on their servers, they're hardly going to stem their main source of income.

etidorhpa wrote:I downloaded a zip of a release from a filesharing site because I was intrigued as to how easy it was to obtain....I downloaded via Rapidshare and instantly got malware on my computer, you know the old fake windows alert messages saying my computer was at risk.
How many of you filesharers are encountering this, and does it put you off downloading due to the security your computer faces?

I also telephoned Rapidshare.com because I was intrigued what they were prepared to do about this problem, and my arguement was that if i contacted them and alerted them of illegal filesharing activity that they should be banning the uploader from using their services. These type of companies surely have to be seen to take some responsibility for what's happening.

Also, I notice someone posted a google link on this thread to obtain alot of copyright audio, I think I'm correct in wanting this person to be reported to the moderators....

Bit of a grass you, aren't yer.

Bit of a grass you, aren't yer.

Come on....the Dubstepforum isn't a microcosm of some small-minded council estate (although to be honest, it seems to be getting there)
Typical that you ignore all my other comments and focus on the opportunity to accuse me of something.

Afterall, surely the Dubstepforum can't be seen to encourage posting links to filesharing sites...?

Bite.

But no seriously, I agree with what you're saying. I think most people on here do aswell. But as I've argued previously, filesharing has been going on for years, and it will remain. No one's going to change it, there are very few things that you or I can do that will make a significant difference. That's why I don't let it get to me. Buy music, support the artists, support the scene. Don't make a fuss and try and put things right. You can't.

there is forum with all the dubstep releases ever made, both cds and vinyl, ripped and upoladed

jesus ^

djfoster wrote:there is forum with all the dubstep releases ever made, both cds and vinyl, ripped and upoladed

Are you being truthful or just exaggerating?! That's just too far .

I can tell you he's NOT exaggerating. OK, it's not like every tune ever made, but easily 80%. All those jocks on there can die as far as I'm concerned. Of course you cannot afford to buy everything and of course I also download and back in the day I tape traded but as long as it is kept in a reasonable ratio it wouldn't hurt anyone just as eBay or second hand aftermarket sales don't really hurt anyone. By these scales, underground artists simply do not see anything back from what they've put in save for a few nerds that still go out and buy releases. I know enough people that haven't spent a dime on music ever since filesharing took off and I'm talking about people that regularly bought CDs and records back in the day. I don't expect people to buy music in bulk but at least some stuff to keep the scene going. there are so many artists out there that rarely get the chance to play gigs anyway, so that wouldn't pay off for them either

wots the url bro?

freakah wrote:

djfoster wrote:there is forum with all the dubstep releases ever made, both cds and vinyl, ripped and upoladed

Are you being truthful or just exaggerating?! That's just too far .

probably bit exaggerating as Headlock666 said, in fact I can see some lack but over 600 dubstep releases is too much

Headlock666 wrote: just as eBay or second hand aftermarket sales don't really hurt anyone.

interesting you say that, i've seen old taskforce and jehst vinyl go on ebay for £100+ and originally they would of cost £4/5 tops.

symmetricalsounds wrote:

Headlock666 wrote: just as eBay or second hand aftermarket sales don't really hurt anyone.

interesting you say that, i've seen old taskforce and jehst vinyl go on ebay for £100+ and originally they would of cost £4/5 tops.

I sold the illegal mix of Foul Play 'Finest Illusion' for 206 quid, I bought it for 4 pounds in 93

ResetTheAtari wrote:

symmetricalsounds wrote:

Headlock666 wrote: just as eBay or second hand aftermarket sales don't really hurt anyone.

interesting you say that, i've seen old taskforce and jehst vinyl go on ebay for £100+ and originally they would of cost £4/5 tops.

I sold the illegal mix of Foul Play 'Finest Illusion' for 206 quid, I bought it for 4 pounds in 93

nice

Also, I notice someone posted a google link on this thread to obtain alot of copyright audio, I think I'm correct in wanting this person to be reported to the moderators....

I really hope you're not talking about me? Because I did NOT post a direct link to pirated music. Watch your words.

EDIT: never mind, you're already a snitch. LMAO

I'd say the vast majority of pirate downloaders are under 25. Napster was just getting popular when I was in the final years of school (i'm 27 now) and for the generations after, MP3s and free music are literally all they've known. You can't compete with free and the mindset that young people have with regards to music is all take/no give.

Established artists like to blab their mouths saying "it should all be free anyway etc" but they've already made their money. New artists have the disadvantage of not having any money to start with and not being well known enough to make an impact in an over-saturated, shithole of an industry. At least promotionally... i'm still a firm believer that if the music is good enough, it will eventually be heard, but it's still a shame that piracy has single handedly devalued music as a creative medium.

In my experience, the vast majority of downloaders are from eastern european countries like Russia, Poland etc... and the main problem is distribution and the fact that a lot of sites don't allow Russian credit cards/payment because many are stolen. What is a real shame is that many russians/serbs are incredibly passionate about music and many have contacted me personally to try and purchase my music, but systems like Paypal just don't allow it. They are left with little choice but to pirate.

For westerners, the option to pay is always there of course, but still many just download/listen/move on to the next tune. Art may have become a commodity, but in many peoples eyes, art is worthless.

Threats like the new bill introduced in the UK to cut off subscribers after 3 warning letters probably won't make a difference. You can't sue everyone afterall. The only solution I see is to continue to drop prices for legtimate music and to offer more incentives to the buying public than just the same MP3s you can get for free from P2P. I'm talking about nice physical packages, with good art, packaging, bonus material (maybe a free tape or something!) and of course, free mp3s with every vinyl purchase. Also, one of the most crucial things an artist can do is sell direct to the fans, through bandcamp, facebook etc.... make a facebook page, get all your fans in one place and let them know when your new work is available, letting you sell direct to them for cheaper than retail and possibly slightly earlier too. You might sell for a little less than you would in retail, but you keep all the money and it goes directly to you. No distro, no label fees, nothing. It's win/win.

So yeah, piracy is a problem, but mainly only if you look at it through the eyes of the music industry in the past. Artists and labels need to adapt to it and if they do, they might find they can make a pretty good living selling their records anyway.

Also, it's usually not just one person but a team of people working under one name. These underground scene release groups all compete with each other to release the most music the quickest.

Correct me if I'm wrong about the dubstep scene, but if the industry works anything like the music industry as a whole, artists make massively small profits from CD sales. Most profit comes from T shirts amusingly, and second to that ticket sales at shows and concerts. So one could argue that filesharing actually leads to greater exposure of an artist , thus ultimately more people who are willing to buy.