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serox wrote:

gravity wrote:could anyone tell me how a loefah tune is any less bland and formulaic than a datsik tune? let alone any more unique?

His tracks have a lot of Hip Hop stuff going on. The drums, the flow and the samples are all very East Side Hip hop. Those guys loved their 808 drums and Loefah has taken it to another level for me. He also has very good mixdowns and a real vibe going on with his samples. The main problem I have with a lot of the new style Dubstep is it all sounds like random VST presets stuck on a grid. Also a lot of it sounds like it was made using the same as what X did last week and is unoriginal.

Feel free to point out another artist like Loefah.

so basically he uses the same sounds in all his tunes and only does the one thing over and over. a major criticism that i hear about afformentioned datsik all the time.

(devils advocate btw)

gravity wrote: so basically he uses the same sounds in all his tunes and only does the one thing over and over. a major criticism that i hear about afformentioned datsik all the time.

(devils advocate btw)

I am not goign to diss artists who are not hear thats not cool. My beef is with the sound, direction.

I use to hate it when people would say X sounds like Y to me refering to Techno records from different countrys. But I hate to say it, too many artists (I wont say names, goodluck to them) tracks all sound the same to me. Melodies/arps all sound roughly the same. Basslines are all quite close (massive most of the time) using the same technqie. Hi hats are all the same straight Techno sounding with random drums that all sound like random drums from differernt kits and dont even fit together. This drive for 'punch' is not my thing. I prefer a decent groove with a track around it!

Do I really need to go on?:)

i wouldn't call it techno... i was talking to pangea about this earlier this year and he said there isn't a name for the music he puts out on hessle. lately i've been hearing the name future bass and i think that's pretty good. imo the dubstep connection is that some (by no means all) of the producers are guys who used to make dubstep and got tired of it. that and the tempo. but i remember a year or two ago maybe untold and ramadanman and some others made some tracks at 138 - WHOA!!!!!!! and now even that is going by the wayside as stuff is coming out at 130 -- perhaps cutting the cord completely w/ dubstep.

titched wrote:i wouldn't call it techno... i was talking to pangea about this earlier this year and he said there isn't a name for the music he puts out on hessle. lately i've been hearing the name future bass and i think that's pretty good. imo the dubstep connection is that some (by no means all) of the producers are guys who used to make dubstep and got tired of it. that and the tempo. but i remember a year or two ago maybe untold and ramadanman and some others made some tracks at 138 - WHOA!!!!!!! and now even that is going by the wayside as stuff is coming out at 130 -- perhaps cutting the cord completely w/ dubstep.

A new name would be more suitable I agree. I think its closer to Techno than Dubstep

I been making shit at 160, loads of space so it feels a good pace but the hi hats are fast and give it pace. Its kinda Hip Hop tho I guess.

I think one of the wonderful things about Drum and Bass, especially from about 96-2002, was that it was a fusion of all the different sounds that were prevalent around the producers, whether it be the surge of disco influenced music, the swathes of techno influences, the invasion of latin american guitars and alike. It was when followers, producers and labels started saying they were only doing a very specific sub genre did things start getting really boring. Neurofunk, drumfunk, clownstep, skullstep or whatever other ridiculous names there are, inter breeding, instead of extra breeding. In fact it might well have been my favourite aspect of Drum and Bass, that it could meet head on with a new sound and consume it's influences and reflect that in it's own music.

IMHO, some of the larger jump up names like Reso, Borgore, Datsik etc are boring to me because it sounds like they have based they're music on what other people are doing in the same scene rather than push new sounds. Reso's 'If you can't beat them' seems like a milestone to me where he said to himself and everyone else, 'I can make the most mind bending brilliant tunes (which he can), but I'm making this jump up stuff to get on the party circuit'. And in all fairness it worked, Reso is near the top league for sure. Regular bookings and travelling everywhere.

To say the heavily techno, house or whatever genre influenced Dubstep isn't Dubstep only ever comes down to personal preference. I found both 2562 albums boring generic Techno. Whoever many people I know, love and respect call them some of the best Dubstep albums released. There's always the grey areas. And there will always be people to argue what side of the fence certain tunes fall on. But to me, it's to do with the crowd that receives the music well. This is why James Blake, Mt. Kimbie and alike are usually classed as Dubstep. Because that's where their audience is and where they grew out of. This is why 'Footcrab', 'Work Them' and countless bizarre Untold tracks are classed as Dubstep, because it's them pushing their formula's forward with integration of new sounds.

Also, only on a personal front, but I believe if someone releases their music to the public, they have to accept the consequences. You can't be complete fassies and never mention names otherwise misunderstanding will be rife. But treat it with respect and not pointless, so and so's shit because he says 'your time' in a posh english accent. It makes you look like a tnuc, not them.

Word ^

btw pete bubonic », whats ur sig about?

serox wrote:Word ^

btw pete bubonic », whats ur sig about?

I'm hoping it's displaying the current releases on Soul Motive with a little web link at the bottom? I probably should state that somewhere, but there's some obscure text limit on sigs.

pete bubonic wrote:
I'm hoping it's displaying the current releases on Soul Motive with a little web link at the bottom? I probably should state that somewhere, but there's some obscure text limit on sigs.

Would make sense if I knew what Soul Motive was

Will have a peak at the el -b rossi stuff if there is audio.

serox wrote:

pete bubonic wrote:
I'm hoping it's displaying the current releases on Soul Motive with a little web link at the bottom? I probably should state that somewhere, but there's some obscure text limit on sigs.

Would make sense if I knew what Soul Motive was

Will have a peak at the el -b rossi stuff if there is audio.

Soul motive is a label I run with a mate in Bristol

You can stream full tracks of all of our releases (and purchase them if you feel the need) on the website. If Garage is your thing, 'Jah no Dead' by Rossi B and Luca is the jam. Also worth checking TRG's 'Move Dis' and Geiom's 'Luna'.

pete bubonic wrote:
Soul motive is a label I run with a mate in Bristol

You can stream full tracks of all of our releases (and purchase them if you feel the need) on the website. If Garage is your thing, 'Jah no Dead' by Rossi B and Luca is the jam. Also worth checking TRG's 'Move Dis' and Geiom's 'Luna'.

Yep, just checked the ones I could and I liked them. At least they have spent more than 3 mins on their drums tracks about riddum ftw.

Not sure if you are aware but you have a few errors on your website.

pete bubonic wrote:I think one of the wonderful things about Drum and Bass, especially from about 96-2002, was that it was a fusion of all the different sounds that were prevalent around the producers, whether it be the surge of disco influenced music, the swathes of techno influences, the invasion of latin american guitars and alike. It was when followers, producers and labels started saying they were only doing a very specific sub genre did things start getting really boring. Neurofunk, drumfunk, clownstep, skullstep or whatever other ridiculous names there are, inter breeding, instead of extra breeding. In fact it might well have been my favourite aspect of Drum and Bass, that it could meet head on with a new sound and consume it's influences and reflect that in it's own music.

IMHO, some of the larger jump up names like Reso, Borgore, Datsik etc are boring to me because it sounds like they have based they're music on what other people are doing in the same scene rather than push new sounds. Reso's 'If you can't beat them' seems like a milestone to me where he said to himself and everyone else, 'I can make the most mind bending brilliant tunes (which he can), but I'm making this jump up stuff to get on the party circuit'. And in all fairness it worked, Reso is near the top league for sure. Regular bookings and travelling everywhere.

To say the heavily techno, house or whatever genre influenced Dubstep isn't Dubstep only ever comes down to personal preference. I found both 2562 albums boring generic Techno. Whoever many people I know, love and respect call them some of the best Dubstep albums released. There's always the grey areas. And there will always be people to argue what side of the fence certain tunes fall on. But to me, it's to do with the crowd that receives the music well. This is why James Blake, Mt. Kimbie and alike are usually classed as Dubstep. Because that's where their audience is and where they grew out of. This is why 'Footcrab', 'Work Them' and countless bizarre Untold tracks are classed as Dubstep, because it's them pushing their formula's forward with integration of new sounds.

Also, only on a personal front, but I believe if someone releases their music to the public, they have to accept the consequences. You can't be complete fassies and never mention names otherwise misunderstanding will be rife. But treat it with respect and not pointless, so and so's shit because he says 'your time' in a posh english accent. It makes you look like a tnuc, not them.

Well said kind sir.

serox wrote:

pete bubonic wrote:
Soul motive is a label I run with a mate in Bristol

You can stream full tracks of all of our releases (and purchase them if you feel the need) on the website. If Garage is your thing, 'Jah no Dead' by Rossi B and Luca is the jam. Also worth checking TRG's 'Move Dis' and Geiom's 'Luna'.

Yep, just checked the ones I could and I liked them. At least they have spent more than 3 mins on their drums tracks about riddum ftw.

Not sure if you are aware but you have a few errors on your website.

What errors have you encountered? We are having a web dev redo the whole thing for us in about a week but with the same infrastructure, so anything you notice is welcome! (probably best in PM). Fanks.

i don't care if it's techno or dubstep.

serox wrote:

gravity wrote: so basically he uses the same sounds in all his tunes and only does the one thing over and over. a major criticism that i hear about afformentioned datsik all the time.

(devils advocate btw)

I am not goign to diss artists who are not hear thats not cool. My beef is with the sound, direction.

I use to hate it when people would say X sounds like Y to me refering to Techno records from different countrys. But I hate to say it, too many artists (I wont say names, goodluck to them) tracks all sound the same to me. Melodies/arps all sound roughly the same. Basslines are all quite close (massive most of the time) using the same technqie. Hi hats are all the same straight Techno sounding with random drums that all sound like random drums from differernt kits and dont even fit together. This drive for 'punch' is not my thing. I prefer a decent groove with a track around it!

Do I really need to go on?:)

ok im gonna stop playing for a minute and give you my actual opinion. now... i see the problem with inbreeding, hell i used to be well into dnb and inbreeding basically fucked that right up. if you only take influence from the genre you are making then you just end up with some kind of bastardised mutant version of what it once was. but in the long run thats gonna happen to pretty much any genre. people will get into the style of music through hearing it and will try and make tunes based around what they liked about the genre (inevitable - hell ive seen you doing it with all you 808 questions and opinions on space and whatever - i mean no malice in that statement btw).

now sooner or later this will lead to either a new genre or something dying out (or both). its just the way (dance) music works. example: jungle came from old school hardcore, as did happy hardcore. there were two bandwagons there: sub bass and breaks, or 4x4 and cheesey vocals/pianos. people latched onto one sound or the other. now in the early stages people are hearing the potential of a sound and are full of influences and will merge them with what they found exciting about this new influence. hence why you got ragga jungle, jazzy stuff, 'intelligent' techno influenced stuff, hip-hop influenced jump up, etc.

so essentially this is why a genre will often have its (seemingly) more diverse and interesting stage in the early stages of its development. now i dont believe that this level of diversity goes away, certainly not for a long while, it just becomes shrouded as the cycle starts to pick up pace again and people start to latch onto a certain aspect of the sound (in the case of dubstep... half step and wobbles). now i dont believe there is any point in getting worked up or bitter or whatever about this... because its just the nature of things. particularly today when everyone and their dog is making fucking tunes and hearing stuff from around the world on their computer with little idea of context.

sooner or later, people will either get bored of it, or it will turn into something new. so instead of railing against it, just see what happens. and if you dont like it, find something you do for gods sake!

serox wrote:

decree wrote:
lol its almost as if you completely ignore what anyone posts....
its not about your opinion man
its not about opinions
read all the above posts that pertain to you

Oh right, Ill keep my opinion to myself because you are telling me too? just sharing some music man, no one is forcing you to read.

out of context my post looks completely attacking, but it was in connection to your post and the previous posts pages back, all of which was saying that
its not about your opinion that makes one form of music more intelligent than another. You were giving reasons why you thought Loefah's tracks were more unique or intelligent than Datsik but you failed to realize all your reasons are completely bias and can be actually used to example Datsik, Loefah or anyone.

Please do not take my speech out of context and make it read like something completely different.

EDIT:
That post also goes to you

Titched

If you read all my posts you would not have to blurt out an completely unrelated outburst

titched wrote:

decree wrote:

serox wrote:Call me a dinosaur but I miss this simple shit find me a Datsik track that does not give me a headache and ill show u a liar lol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQsHJG6k ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4RrbFVYdxQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGEO8Oue ... re=related

oh well, ill get my coat (and slippers)

lol its almost as if you completely ignore what anyone posts....
its not about your opinion man
its not about opinions

wtf are you talking about, of course it's about opinions! dude is saying he's feeling a certain sound -- he gave some examples. i listened to them. he says he prefers that to the dubstep coming out today - specifically datsik. i don't see a problem here. you know most of the posts in this thread have said LOOK AT ALL THIS INCREDIBLE STUFF THAT'S COMING OUT WOW DUBSTEP HAS SPLIT OFF IN A MILLION INCREDIBLE DIRECTIONS WHAT YOU DON'T LIKE ANY OF IT??? i'm not sure james blake and mount kimbie and addison groove -- whatever you may think of them -- are dubstep. i'm not sure serox does. why are they dubstep, because the tempo is in the vicinity of 140 bpm? maybe he likes some of that shiz or not (i dig addison groove).

you do realize that this thread is titled "Dubstep - Loosing its uniqueness?"
not "Serox please tell us about some Dubstep artists you like"

serox wrote: Each to their own. I am not saying I am right or that I know best but I can give my opinion. See you on the other side!

very fairplay

just would like to add as much as people hate on borgore and such he brought an original sound to the scene love or hate it
personally i love playing some of his tunes and hate others, but hating the whole style is just ignorance
uniqueness and original ideas are def still flowing just people chose to blanket ignore them due to their subjective tastes

This whole topic is a mute point.

There is original and amazing dubstep being released right now. There is boring and formulaic dubstep being released right now. The same holds true for DnB, Garage, Techno, House, Indie, Pop, HipHop whatever the fuck you listen to.

If you can't be bothered to find the music you like and instead moan about the mainstream releases you probably heard in the top 5 on beatport then IMO your just not that into music.

deadly habit wrote:just would like to add as much as people hate on borgore and such he brought an original sound to the scene love or hate it
personally i love playing some of his tunes and hate others, but hating the whole style is just ignorance
uniqueness and original ideas are def still flowing just people chose to blanket ignore them due to their subjective tastes

Oop just had to say I agree with this so much. I like to joke about with the 'hating brostep' thing but there is a lot of good stuff being made under that banner as well as the shit stuff. It's like people who say they hate pop music just because it's pop and supposedly therefore evil?? Stop being so insecure, if you like some music just say you like it. Don't force yourself to hate something just because the melody is a bit cheesy and lots of other people like it. I can guarantee there isn't one single person on this board who genuinely doesn't like ANY pop record ever released yet I can also guarantee there are people here who will claim they don't.