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badger wrote:i think you mean antibodies. when you get an illness your body's white blood cells attack the pathogen and in doing so they basically learn how to defeat it and create antibodies in order to counteract it in the future. vaccines give you the disease they are made to protect you against in a very small dose so that the body learns how to defeat it and so when you get a real dose of the disease your body has the antibodies in place to defeat it without getting ill

this is why some vaccines temporarily make you ill and cause short term side effects

yes that's exactly what the gcse biology texbook on vaccination says

Hackman, what sows your text book say? And thanks badger that's what I thought. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger, I thought that was the basic idea behind them.

Grand

hackman wrote:yes that's exactly what the gcse biology texbook on vaccination says

you're in proper tnuc mode today aren't you?

grand asked about it so i answered

hackman wrote:why are articles written by your scientists/doctors better than mine?

Because they're peer-reviewed, tested and revised and only released years after they were originally written and more than just bits of texts on a 2001 Lycos page.

hackman wrote:i don't want people to respect my opinions, couldn't care less
i want people to not label me as criminal for expressing my freedom of thought!

I didn't call you a criminal. I do think you're a very confident young man who's been alienated from society. I see many things in your belief system that I believed around your age and I wish looking back that someone had had the ability to show me what a dick I was being.

I know the merest fact that I've said that means you'll try superhard to never grow up and reevaluate all this, though we can hope your intelligence overcomes your crippling fear of society eventually.

*grand* wrote:Hackman, what sows your text book say? And thanks badger that's what I thought. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger, I thought that was the basic idea behind them.

if that's the case, why bother with the vaccine? just get measles, you'll be ill once then that's it, and if you were meant to die then you were meant to die lol
you're not going to get polio these days, or cholera, or whatever, because we live in the west and we have a great quality of life whoooopie

badger wrote:

hackman wrote:yes that's exactly what the gcse biology texbook on vaccination says

you're in proper tnuc mode today aren't you?

grand asked about it so i answered

if i'm in tnuc mode, you're in idiot mode

Anyway . Vaccination being discussed on Radio 4 as we speak!

hackman wrote:because we live in the west and we have a great quality of life whoooopie

that's exactly the point isn't it? not everyone lives in the west and is able to overcome illnesses like this

people who are in poor health and in a less developed country with insufficient health care die of these illnesses, and your argument is if you were meant to die you were meant to die? i really don't know what to say about that if that's what you truly believe

badger wrote:not everyone lives in the west and is able to overcome illnesses like this

the fuck does that even mean? people can overcome illness anywhere lol

hackman wrote:

badger wrote:not everyone lives in the west and is able to overcome illnesses like this

the fuck does that even mean? people can overcome illness anywhere lol

can't be arsed arguing any more with you but i'll make one last post in this thread

are you really suggesting that someone who is malnourished and already in poor health, living in squalid conditions in a poor country with awful health care is going to have an equal chance of surviving an illness as an internet warrior living in a comfortable house in a country with free health care? and if they don't survive then that's fine because "if you were meant to die then you were meant to die lol"? not only is that exactly the sort of argument that you'd mock a christian for but it's that kind of attitude held by westerners that's condemning thousands if not millions of innocent people to death purely because they were born on the wrong bit of the globe and don't have the kind of luxuries that people like you are used to

hackman wrote:

badger wrote:not everyone lives in the west and is able to overcome illnesses like this

the fuck does that even mean? people can overcome illness anywhere lol

But with outdated medicine, no clean water, no proper sanitation or proper food, it can become quite a bit more tricky than it is in the West.

hackman wrote:

*grand* wrote:Hackman, what sows your text book say? And thanks badger that's what I thought. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger, I thought that was the basic idea behind them.

if that's the case, why bother with the vaccine? just get measles, you'll be ill once then that's it, and if you were meant to die then you were meant to die lol
you're not going to get polio these days, or cholera, or whatever, because we live in the west and we have a great quality of life whoooopie

Hackman, if you read one of my earlier post that's exactly what I said, however that is not the case in much of the developing world. Tbh, what is this all about? This has been an educational thread, but i think its time for all parties to sum up there stances on vaccinations and then to agree to disagree if that they don't go hand in hand.

I believe vaccinations are not so necessary if you live in say the UK, however if I lived in Bangladesh, I would view them as very necessary.

Each country merits a different approach in terms of vaccination programs.

Grand

*grand* wrote: I believe vaccinations are not so necessary if you live in say the UK, however if I lived in Bangladesh, I would view them as very necessary.

don't think that's true, it only takes a generation or two to become lax for the disease to come back. which is why it's important for everyone to get vaccinated so it can be totally eradicated.

badger wrote:are you really suggesting that someone who is malnourished and already in poor health, living in squalid conditions in a poor country with awful health care is going to have an equal chance of surviving an illness as an internet warrior living in a comfortable house in a country with free health care

no, if you could read you would see that i said this difference is the explanation for the prevailability of disease in non western countries, rather than availability of vaccination

EPIC SMH U TURNIP

Genevieve wrote:

hackman wrote:

badger wrote:not everyone lives in the west and is able to overcome illnesses like this

the fuck does that even mean? people can overcome illness anywhere lol

But with outdated medicine, no clean water, no proper sanitation or proper food, it can become quite a bit more tricky than it is in the West.

so?

*grand* wrote:

hackman wrote:

*grand* wrote:Hackman, what sows your text book say? And thanks badger that's what I thought. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger, I thought that was the basic idea behind them.

if that's the case, why bother with the vaccine? just get measles, you'll be ill once then that's it, and if you were meant to die then you were meant to die lol
you're not going to get polio these days, or cholera, or whatever, because we live in the west and we have a great quality of life whoooopie

Hackman, if you read one of my earlier post that's exactly what I said, however that is not the case in much of the developing world. Tbh, what is this all about? This has been an educational thread, but i think its time for all parties to sum up there stances on vaccinations and then to agree to disagree if that they don't go hand in hand.

I believe vaccinations are not so necessary if you live in say the UK, however if I lived in Bangladesh, I would view them as very necessary.

Each country merits a different approach in terms of vaccination programs.

Grand

this is all about dickheads needing to respect that people have the right to not be vaccinated if they want

hackman wrote:

badger wrote:are you really suggesting that someone who is malnourished and already in poor health, living in squalid conditions in a poor country with awful health care is going to have an equal chance of surviving an illness as an internet warrior living in a comfortable house in a country with free health care

no, if you could read you would see that i said this difference is the explanation for the prevailability of disease in non western countries, rather than availability of vaccination

EPIC SMH U TURNIP

Badger isn't arguing about that. He's asking if people that live in such conditions in, among other places, Africa, should not be vaccinated either. Regardless of their incapability of dealing with the illness.