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LACE wrote: Good points, but there is one missing factor in all this, and it's the ''White Flight'' phenomena..
Throughout history, in the US and parts of the UK, once a minority moves into the community, the majority (white people) move out, further leading to the polarization of their culture and society.

I think I see your point but I also thinks that the white flight phenomena can be pretty misleading. Generally poor people don't move into affluent areas. Liverpool for instance had / has a largely black community in and around the Liverpool 8 area that would have been one of the more salubrious areas 120 years ago. However as transport and communications improved it enabled the owners of the larger industries to move further from the city center and enabled single unit occupancy households to be replaced with multi-occupancy units when large 3 and 4 story houses were turned into 10 flats. This was not about the rich moving out because the poor moved in it was about the poor moving in once the richer white community moved out. Like white flight happens but it also happens when poorer white move into more affluent areas as can also be seen in Liverpool and Dublin when grand houses effectively become slum tenements with poorer people living one household per room.

I know little outside the areas where I have lived but it seems reasonable to assume that this is not the only cases where once rich areas become poorer.

I also think that there are very valid reasons why people from a shared ackground move into the same area, migrant communities of all types tend to be insular intitially as a defence mechanism, when you have people from communities with a really strong community ethic they will tend to congregate especially when you consider the indigenous community has become less community focused which has happened a lot in England. Like how many times do you hear someone say they don't know or speak to their neighbours where previously everyone would know each other. You also find that employment opportunites will attract people with skills they picked up in their country of origin. People who work in the same industry and the industry is local tend to live locally especially when people have moved specifically for employement opportunities and are looking to save money to send back.

I don't disagree that there is a benefit to society that people working abroad learn the local language but I disagree strongly that we should be depriving people of their entitlements if they are unable / unwilling to. I also think that while economic opportunities will be greater when people speak the local language that's not always necessary.

LACE wrote:

belalala wrote:re: whoever said americans are racist against muslims, fuck yeah they are. how many shifty eyes do you see every time you get on a plane full of americans and a few muslims in full dress? a lot.

Americans are racist against anyone who isn't a WASP. Apart from the coastal states and Chicago, all that space you see in between is basically prairie hicks, mountain hillbillies, tea party activists, and southern rednecks.

fixed.

lol, true expat mentality you've got there. i'm joining the club this year too

agreed.

Always funny to see people generalizing and steroetyping re: other people generalizing and stereotyping

fractal wrote:Always funny to see people generalizing and steroetyping re: other people generalizing and stereotyping

yeah but it's an essential part of forum discussion or has been as long as I've been posting on forums. I'd also argue that saying all racists are dickheads is way preferable to saying all foreigners are, both generalisations one just obviously better than the other

scspkr99 wrote:

fractal wrote:Always funny to see people generalizing and steroetyping re: other people generalizing and stereotyping

yeah but it's an essential part of forum discussion or has been as long as I've been posting on forums. I'd also argue that saying all racists are dickheads is way preferable to saying all foreigners are, both generalisations one just obviously better than the other

Yeah.

Besides, though I am generalizing, there is some truth to what I'm saying. Just take a black guy or a muslim guy to the central US, and see how many people want to be his friend. On the other hand, are all foreigners lazy? No. Are all muslims terrorists? Of course not. Are most Americans racist?..Well..yeah.

Besides, if I had one wish it would be world peace =)

^^^
"are most people racist?"

...

all people are ISTs!

!!chea

Sirius wrote:

Dutchstep wrote:

64hz wrote:did he make you wear a burkha?

I wish that was the problem

he was overly dominant & obsessive.
you liked the way that he carried himself at the start, when you meet him... & he wooed you.
but then once you were his... he oppressed you.

because you are such a free woman you wanted out... yet you fell in love to quick.
this made you stay longer, & if it wasn't for him beating you... you probably would have been stuck.

you don't seem like one to get the police involved, yet you had to... his obsessive nature....


damn i should write a book!!ahhaahhahahaha

!!chea

kinda but it was worse than that

Other countries are waaaay, WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY more racist than the US will ever be.

I mean, shit, the informal word for "poor" in Argentina is the n word.

svpreme wrote:Other countries are waaaay, WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY more racist than the US will ever be.

I mean, shit, the informal word for "poor" in Argentina is the n word.

No-money-having-person? Is that even a fucking word? Argentina is weird.

Yeah, the US is definitely less racist than most of the Western world (not sure about the non-west). So many Greeks are proud of their "99%" pure blood and don't even for a sec think that Spain is going to elect a gypsy any time soon.

Is the US crowded with racist pricks? Probably, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's relatively fine compared to Europe.

I think the key point to consider is that despite the US's dark history with race relations in the past, even the ESTABLISHMENT ITSELF has gone out of it's way to make things better for everyone through legislation. On top of the majority of American people becoming more and more tolerant of other races and cultures as time went on.

Progress in terms of that might have been slow, but at least it's there.

Whereas in places like Argentina you have government officials saying shit like this in this day and age:

"I don't want negros here... If I want nightclubs for negros, I'll put them on the outskirts of the city, far away.[9]"

tl;dr if you think the US is even close to one of the most racist countries out there, you're retarded. End of.

yeah, i lived in argentina a few years back, it's pretty bad. they're starting to become more accepting of jews and asians because there's been a fair amount of immigration from those demographics, but blacks...

i remember checking up on facebook with some of my former classmates a couple years ago and seeing a photo album called "fiesta marron" (brown party). everyone was dressed in "gangsta" attire, saggy pants, sideways caps, throwing up hand signals. of course no one gives that a second thought down there because there are very few blacks to protest it. i believe this was someone's birthday party in high school that was thrown and okayed by parents too...

argentina's fucking cool though! please don't hold that against it... one of the most magnificent countries i've been to.